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Around the NHL - Part XLII - (2023-24 Season edition)

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nyr2k2 said:
Kakko had 13 points in his first 14 games with Seattle. When his line mates stopped scoring at unsustainable rates, he dropped to 12 points in 24 games.

I think you're kidding yourself if you think he's suddenly a different player than he was before. His underlying numbers aren't really any different than they were before, expect he was probably unlucky this season with us and that's reverted to the mean with Seattle.
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Is anybody claiming that he's a different player? I'm certainly not. Just happy to see him fit in and enjoying himself away from this train wreck of an organization.
 
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FoxysExpensiveNYDigs said:
Is anybody claiming that he's a different player? I'm certainly not. Just happy to see him fit in and enjoying himself away from this train wreck of an organization.
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With all due respect to KK, he was a plus 9 on this "trainwreck" this season. In Seattle KK is a minus 11 and is quite possibly the worst plus/minus on Seattle since the trade. Maybe the "trainwreck" was also doing some good for him?
 
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs said:
Maybe. Or maybe he was part of one of the best 3rd lines in the league to start the year.
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That could play a role but outside of his rookie year do you ever remember him being one of the worst plus/minus guys on the Rangers like he has been on Seattle? Is it possible for all the bad things on the NYR that we did give a bit more structure?
 
NickyFotiu said:
With all due respect to KK, he was a plus 9 on this "trainwreck" this season. In Seattle KK is a minus 11 and is quite possibly the worst plus/minus on Seattle since the trade. Maybe the "trainwreck" was also doing some good for him?
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Being at that time the team's highest pick in over 50 years along with the pressure of having to perform and just New York in general wasn't a good fit for Kakko. If he wasn't a consensus top two pick and more of a middle first rounder, doubt the Rangers and him even synch up.

He's not a loud and flashy guy, in fact is quite the opposite. To succeed in this market you gotta have one of three personalities:

1. JT Miller loud
2. Hardworking go with the flow think like a Will Cullye or someone like a Brandon Nimmo is baseball
3, Aloof and silly like an Eli Manning

There are the occasional outliers like Roy White who was an awesome Yankee.

New York was too big and too much for Kakko. Seattle he more of just blends in.
 
Roo Returns said:
He's gonna be a 50 point player probably get traded one to two more times and if he's lucky, be like a Barbeshev/Lekhonnen for some team's Cup run.
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In no way is he like either both are much better more dynamic and physical players perfect for playoff hockey. KK still shys away from physical play. If he could have just 1/8 of Esa Tikanens balls..he be so much better.
 
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NickyFotiu said:
That could play a role but outside of his rookie year do you ever remember him being one of the worst plus/minus guys on the Rangers like he has been on Seattle? Is it possible for all the bad things on the NYR that we did give a bit more structure?
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He's playing for a coach whose three claims to fame are Disco Dancing to loosen a team up, wearing glasses and appearing smart, being called a genius by Pierre Macguire because he was affiliated with the Penguins.
 
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Roo Returns said:
Being at that time the team's highest pick in over 50 years along with the pressure of having to perform and just New York in general wasn't a good fit for Kakko. If he wasn't a consensus top two pick and more of a middle first rounder, doubt the Rangers and him even synch up.

He's not a loud and flashy guy, in fact is quite the opposite. To succeed in this market you gotta have one of three personalities:

1. JT Miller loud
2. Hardworking go with the flow think like a Will Cullye or someone like a Brandon Nimmo is baseball
3, Aloof and silly like an Eli Manning

There are the occasional outliers like Roy White who was an awesome Yankee.

New York was too big and too much for Kakko. Seattle he more of just blends in.
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That can definitely play a role. I have not seen it with many guys in hockey but it used to be a huge thing for guys coming to the Yankees.
 
Roo Returns said:
He's playing for a coach whose three claims to fame are Disco Dancing to loosen a team up, wearing glasses and appearing smart, being called a genius by Pierre Macguire because he was affiliated with the Penguins.
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That team has some legit offensive talent and speed. On the positive side they play fast. They basically get the puck and just go. On the other hand they do leak out of their own zone looking for odd man rushes a lot....Maybe too much.
 
Slaydagnar said:
In no way is he like either both are much better more dynamic and physical players perfect for playoff hockey. KK still shys away from physical play. If he could have just 1/8 of Esa Tikanens balls..he be so much better.
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I don't agree with the Tikanen comparison. They have nothing in common except being Finnish.

He's like the other two in that when he gets going, he's a puck possession/cycle monster albeit an unfinished version. He may eventually get to what those two are (those guys both took until they were 26ish to take the next step).
 
Roo Returns said:
Being at that time the team's highest pick in over 50 years along with the pressure of having to perform and just New York in general wasn't a good fit for Kakko. If he wasn't a consensus top two pick and more of a middle first rounder, doubt the Rangers and him even synch up.

He's not a loud and flashy guy, in fact is quite the opposite. To succeed in this market you gotta have one of three personalities:

1. JT Miller loud
2. Hardworking go with the flow think like a Will Cullye or someone like a Brandon Nimmo is baseball
3, Aloof and silly like an Eli Manning

There are the occasional outliers like Roy White who was an awesome Yankee.

New York was too big and too much for Kakko. Seattle he more of just blends in.
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Never thought I’d see Will Cuylle and Roy White in the same post. Thanks.
 
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NickyFotiu said:
That can definitely play a role. I have not seen it with many guys in hockey but it used to be a huge thing for guys coming to the Yankees.
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I'd say both baseball teams, definitely in recent years with football (look at Geno Smith and Sam Darnold) and hockey I remember both Dubinsky and Anisimov talking about how New York was a lot and very big after the Nash trade. Both didn't hate it here but both were not unhappy to be in a more chill city.
 
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NickyFotiu said:
That could play a role but outside of his rookie year do you ever remember him being one of the worst plus/minus guys on the Rangers like he has been on Seattle? Is it possible for all the bad things on the NYR that we did give a bit more structure?
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Yeah. He was an abysmal defensive player his rookie year. He really turned that aspect of his game around. Seattle is a bad team also. Alot of minus players. Kartye -17, Montour -14, Stephenson -10, hell Borgen was a -13 when he was acquired. I don't think Kakko's plus minus is a result of poor play, he's just on a poor team.
 
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs said:
Yeah. He was an abysmal defensive player his rookie year. He really turned that aspect of his game around. Seattle is a bad team also. Alot of minus players. Kartye -17, Montour -14, Stephenson -10, hell Borgen was a -13 when he was acquired. I don't think Kakko's plus minus is a result of poor play, he's just on a poor team.
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Well Borgen going from a minus 13 to a plus 6 kind of points in to the direction that this "train wreck" (NYR) may actually have more structure.

As far as KK goes I do not think his play has been as good as some people say nor as bad as some say. I think he had a strong January but also some not so good months since the trade. I personally think only time will tell if he should be playing in a top line (18mpg) and PP1. I think it will be interesting what kind of contract that Seattle will give him after 6 years in the NHL.
 
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs said:
Yeah. He was an abysmal defensive player his rookie year. He really turned that aspect of his game around. Seattle is a bad team also. Alot of minus players. Kartye -17, Montour -14, Stephenson -10, hell Borgen was a -13 when he was acquired. I don't think Kakko's plus minus is a result of poor play, he's just on a poor team.
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No forward on Seattle has been on the ice for more GA 5v5 than Kakko since he was traded there. His line mates are within an ear shot of him but they've also played more minutes than he has.

tbh his line kind of sucks. They collectively went on that heater a few months ago and have been coasting on the vibes from it since. Seattle's other lines have been way better.
 
NickyFotiu said:
That could play a role but outside of his rookie year do you ever remember him being one of the worst plus/minus guys on the Rangers like he has been on Seattle? Is it possible for all the bad things on the NYR that we did give a bit more structure?
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I've heard that's impossible because the Rangers are the worst at everything.
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
I mean Seattle has garbage goaltending compared to us, that could play a part
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My mind immediately went to he's slow, Rangers are slow, and NYR NZ/DZ style seems to be to back in forever so they don't get odd man'd and Seattle might be getting rushed to death when he's on ice.
 
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