Around the NHL: Part III – Oilers Fire Chiarelli [Update: Still Suck]

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There is no amount of assets I would not ship out for McDavid.

New players appear every year and old favorites turn into relative disappointments constantly. McDavid is McDavid.
 
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There is no amount of assets I would not ship out for McDavid.

New players appear every year and old favorites turn into relative disappointments constantly. McDavid is McDavid.

McDavid isn't surrounded by enough assets and that's why the Oilers lose. You ship out enough "no amount of assets" to acquire a guy like that and he's back to where he already is.

Doesn't matter. McDavid isn't going anywhere until he wants to and probably wherever he wants to. Coming to the Rangers would be a lateral move and I doubt that's of interest to him.
 
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McDavid isn't surrounded by enough assets and that's why the Oilers lose. You ship out enough "no amount of assets" to acquire a guy like that and he's back to where he already is.

Doesn't matter. McDavid isn't going anywhere until he wants to and probably wherever he wants to. Coming to the Rangers would be a lateral move and I doubt that's of interest to him.

It wouldn't be lateral at all.

He'd be going from the middle of f***sville in Edmonton to a major market place with ownership/management that has shown that they're willing and able to attract talent.

They'd still be able to ice a team around him after they move a bunch of assets. Honestly the best case would be for him to request a trade a season or 2 from now after the Rangers have amassed even more assets. The pipeline is in fair to good shape now, 2 years from now it should be in tremendous shape.
 
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Obviously no one was going to match Gretzky's ability and production, but I almost think we forget the talent that was acquired for him or selected with the assets in that trade.

Martin Gelinas was an 18 year old scoring sensation drafted 7th overall by the Kings a few weeks prior. He was a member of the Kid Line, which was instrumental in the 1990 cup victory. He scored 300 goals and played 1200 games in the NHL.

The Oilers also received three first round picks which ended up being the 18th pick in 1989, the 20th pick in 1991, and the 16th pick in 1993. One of the players became Martin Rucinsky, who played 900+ games and scored 241 goals. So when all is said and done, the Oilers ended up with two wingers who scored 550 goals and played 2,100 NHL games.

From an asset management standpoint, those other picks easily could've been names like Jason Allison, or Saku Koivu, Todd Bertuzzi, or Adam Foote.

So, in hindsight, the biggest thing that probably held the Oilers back was how they used the picks and asset management.

You forgot Jimmy Carson.
 
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Then we would be right where the Oil stand right now.
Id rather lose enjoying those 3 or 4 opposed to the ONE McDavid. Regardless how great he is.
A team is a team is a team. Dont care much for 1 man teams.

Yeah, I meant that trade proposal as in no way in hell am I gutting this team, but I definitely feel that is in the realm of overpay.

I was really trying NOT to have to part with Kreids (offering Zuccha and Vesey instead), Pionk instead of Tony and throwing in a 2020 instead of Chytil.......so, I'm not really that far off. We were talking about Chiarelli, right? Was just trying to be somewhat fair here.

Haha if it was Chia it’d be Vesey + Chytil + 2nd 2020
 
There's a greater likelihood of Boo becoming a first line center than McDavid coming to New York. Neither is happening but the latter is way more unlikely.
 
It wouldn't be lateral at all.

He'd be going from the middle of ****sville in Edmonton to a major market place with ownership/management that has shown that they're willing and able to attract talent.

They'd still be able to ice a team around him after they move a bunch of assets. Honestly the best case would be for him to request a trade a season or 2 from now after the Rangers have amassed even more assets. The pipeline is in fair to good shape now, 2 years from now it should be in tremendous shape.
The main thing holding the Rangers back is lack of a legit elite center. Everything else is headed in the right direction.

If they got McDavid, it changes the game. Edmonton is probably the only team that could have f***ed that up.
 
The notion that the Rangers have the assets to acquire McDavid is just silly to me.

The kid (turned 22 a week ago) scored 100 points when he was 19/20, and we’re getting hung up on losing Filip Chytil?

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. We have a handful of nice prospects, Zibanejad, and that’s pretty much it (Kreider isn’t signed long-term).
 
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Well since it`s an Allstar break I will go into a big name UFA signing last year. What happen with Islanders when John Tavares left right now they pace for +25 more pts. this season, and Toronto pace for -1 with Tavares on the team so an interesting stat view before the weekend about a player who don`t have the impact that most believed before he was gone or signed him.
 
What happened with the Islanders is that their goalies started saving 92% of shots against them this year.
This is true, and I don't want to put words in your mouth but this comes off as dismissive to Trotz's impact.

The isles have one goalie from last year and one from another bad defensive team. They both improved their numbers this year under Trotz. Another goalie from last year went to the Bruins and his numbers are way up in their defensively superior (relative to last season's isles) team.

They didn't add any dynamos, in fact they lost one of their better defenders and their top center man. Credit where it is due.

Again, I don't want to put words in your mouth. I think it's more likely Trotz improved team defense rather that Lenher, Greiss and Halak randomly all having better seasons at the same time.
 
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This is true, and I don't want to put words in your mouth but this comes off as dismissive to Trotz's impact.

The isles have one goalie from last year and one from another bad defensive team. They both improved their numbers this year under Trotz. Another goalie from last year went to the Bruins and his numbers are way up in their defensively superior (relative to last season's isles) team.

They didn't add any dynamos, in fact they lost one of their better defenders and their top center man. Credit where it is due.

Again, I don't want to put words in your mouth. I think it's more likely Trotz improved team defense rather that Lenher, Greiss and Halak randomly all having better seasons at the same time.

It is hard for me to buy "Trotz's impact" when the Capitals were among the worst defensive teams in the league last year and their goalie had a bad year.
 
It is hard for me to buy "Trotz's impact" when the Capitals were among the worst defensive teams in the league last year and their goalie had a bad year.
Hmm, I suppose its possible. But at the same time we would have to dismiss the success of Holtby and Trotz together for several seasons, as well as the defensive performance of the Preds under Trotz for years.
 
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It is hard for me to buy "Trotz's impact" when the Capitals were among the worst defensive teams in the league last year and their goalie had a bad year.
Maybe he is the kind if coach that coaches in accordance to what kind of horses he has. If it ain't broke dont fix it.
Imo, the Capitals were never going to win anything until their "leader" started playing a little defense. Weren't there reported differences between Ovie and Trotz? What was he supposed to do, make the Capitals bypass good offense and concentrate on defense when Ovie wasn't onboard?
I hedge my bets on all 3 goaltenders having better seasons due to better team defense. Seems easy to see. That is Trotz doing.
 
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Then I would like to place a bet on all 3 goaltenders having worse seasons next year, still under Trotz, predicting it won't repeat.
 
Hasn't Trotz always carried the reputation as a good defensive coach? From Nashville to Washington, and then of course that was a factor in why the Islanders wanted him. I mean of course you can have down seasons, he's been an NHL coach for 20 years. But I think it's more than coincidental that the defensively-minded head coach comes to the Island and suddenly they're playing better defense as a team and all the goalies are playing better.
 
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Hasn't Trotz always carried the reputation as a good defensive coach? From Nashville to Washington, and then of course that was a factor in why the Islanders wanted him. I mean of course you can have down seasons, he's been an NHL coach for 20 years. But I think it's more than coincidental that the defensively-minded head coach comes to the Island and suddenly they're playing better defense as a team and all the goalies are playing better.

Korn effect.

They’re not the dumpster fire defensively that they were last year, but they aren’t great defensively either. The goaltending has carried them so far and I’m skeptical that I can keep up, at least with what they have right now.
 
Korn effect.

They’re not the dumpster fire defensively that they were last year, but they aren’t great defensively either. The goaltending has carried them so far and I’m skeptical that I can keep up, at least with what they have right now.
But would you expect that in half a season a coach could turn a team from an atrocity on defense to something great? I mean I don't doubt that there's some element of hot goaltending propping them up, but they certainly have looked like a more cohesive defensive unit as well, in the few games I've seen. I would only expect that to improve. The goaltending may also fall off, basically leading to a break-even situation or even a net negative relative to where they are now, but I definitely think Trotz has them headed in the right direction as a team.
 
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But would you expect that in half a season a coach could turn a team from an atrocity on defense to something great? I mean I don't doubt that there's some element of hot goaltending propping them up, but they certainly have looked like a more cohesive defensive unit as well, in the few games I've seen. I would only expect that to improve. The goaltending may also fall off, basically leading to a break-even situation or even a net negative relative to where they are now, but I definitely think Trotz has them headed in the right direction as a team.

A lot of this is Trotz's system allowing the goalies to better understand where/when shots are coming. They had no system last year at all
 
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