NHL Around the NHL - Offseason moves and rumblings

[chizzler]

Yes, they exposed McQuaid. They had three defensemen for one spot to protect (doubtful Vegas would have taken McQuaid of Kevan Miller), they went with Kevan Miller over Colin.

They made the right call.

 

[LouJersey]

I still can't believe we gave him away for nothing. And that's not hindsight, I said it before it happened.

One of Sweeney's worst moves.

I'm a huge Sweeney guy, but protecting Kevan over Colin was one of my four issues I have with his tenure thus far.

 

[LouJersey]

They made the right call.

Spilled milk and all but I disagree. Vegas wasn't drafting contracts, no way they take Killer and his 3 years.

 

[EverettMike]

Spilled milk and all but I disagree. Vegas wasn't drafting contracts, no way they take Killer and his 3 years.

Then fine. They took someone else. There was really no one else left unprotected that I gave a shit about.

Meanwhile I watched Kevan Miller get exposed in a 2nd round again while Colin Miller played well on route to the Stanley Cup Final.

I'm not ant-Kevan Miller, I like him, you just don't give up young good defenseman for nothing to protect a guy like Kevan Miller.

 

[LouJersey]

Then fine. They took someone else. There was really no one else left unprotected that I gave a **** about.

Meanwhile I watched Kevan Miller get exposed in a 2nd round again while Colin Miller played well on route to the Stanley Cup Final.

I'm not ant-Kevan Miller, I like him, you just don't give up young good defenseman for nothing to protect a guy like Kevan Miller.

I compare it to having a convertible and two Honda accords and instead of saying "here, take one of my accords signed to a multi year deal" they handed them chiller for free. Bet they would have taken subban. I like Kevan too, but losing him wouldn't have been the end of the world

 

[JOKER 192]

Just for fun ( I would have kept Miller as well) but would anyone have been on board for giving Miller the contract he just signed as a 3rd liner?

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

I'm sure Colin Miller is putting up 41 points in 82 games on the Bruins 3rd pairing

 

[DrJustice]

Colin Miller is what Bruins fans think Krug is.

An overpayed 3rd pairing PP specialist.

I'd much rather pay a million less for Kevan Miller.

 

[LouJersey]

Killer is a better player to play w Gryz imo.

But a Moore/Chiller pairing wound be interesting, but could be a defensive liability.

 

[LouJersey]

Just for fun ( I would have kept Miller as well) but would anyone have been on board for giving Miller the contract he just signed as a 3rd liner?

No

 

[KnightofBoston]

I'm a huge Sweeney guy, but protecting Kevan over Colin was one of my four issues I have with his tenure thus far.

But at the same time that’s not really a slight to kevan Miller

Personally I would have exposed Quaider, he might not have been taken for one, and two wasn’t he a health scratch quite a bit this past season?

But you also have to look at what the bruins really needed. You could argue they didn’t need more young offensive only d-men

In the end, Killer over Chiller is almost misdirection, because Kevan is a great player for his pedigree/position in his own right, and he took another step this year. The bruins can’t afford to lose gritty guys that can up their skating game as well.

Looking back though, bruins have Colin minus Quaider right now and they have a piece in krug to go after a big time player but still have someone that can potentially replace a chunk of Krug’s points and PP contributions on the blue line.


Colin has room to grow for sure but he was part of 6 guys that got a team pretty close to a cup

 

[The Murph]

Not a fan of Colin Miller. Always thought he had the tools, with a good shot, offensive instincts, and excellent linear speed, but had subpar lateral movement and weak defensive IQ. He don't keep up the point totals, he's not much of an asset.

Kevan Miller is real hard to play against, his skating has picked up hugely, and his defensive blunders are almost non existent nowadays. Hard to find across the league. Kevan Miller on the Leafs would be brutal.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Personally I would have exposed Quaider, he might not have been taken for one, and two wasn’t he a health scratch quite a bit this past season?

McQuaid was exposed to Vegas. They just didn't take him.

 

[Alicat]

Colin Miller is what Bruins fans think Krug is.

An overpayed 3rd pairing PP specialist.

I'd much rather pay a million less for Kevan Miller.

Krug is far better than Colin Miller.

Colin Miller’s issues are between his ears.

He was overpaid and the Bruins protected the right guys.

Colin Miller is overrated and was overpaid.

 

[DrJustice]

Krug is far better than Colin Miller.

Colin Miller’s issues are between his ears.

He was overpaid and the Bruins protected the right guys.

Colin Miller is overrated and was overpaid.

41 points is a down year for Krug.

 

[Alicat]

41 points is a down year for Krug.

Pretty much.

His first year he had 40 points and his second year he had 39.

After that it was 44 points or better.

I call that consistentcy and as much as people poo poo it, his leadership is invaluable and will eventually replace Z’s on the back end.

 

[KnightofBoston]

McQuaid was exposed to Vegas. They just didn't take him.

Ah I knew I was missing something. In that case I can definitely see why he chose Kevan over Colin

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

I'm a huge Sweeney guy, but protecting Kevan over Colin was one of my four issues I have with his tenure thus far.

Same here. I would have kept C.Miller over K.Miller.

Would still trade him over Krug.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

In a related note, Pagnotta is saying that McPhee is offering a large package including CMiller to Ottawa for Karlsson:

Interesting read - Karlsson trade talks reaching climax

 

[LouJersey]

In a related note, Pagnotta is saying that McPhee is offering a large package including CMiller to Ottawa for Karlsson:

Interesting read - Karlsson trade talks reaching climax

Would definitely make sense and you would think Chiller would be a want for Ottawa

 

[LouJersey]

Amazing how Chiller went from and 80% like rate to 10% in one year around here.

We pump the tires of our 7 assist second pairing D continually, yet Chiller lights it up for Vegas, part a 6 man Stanley cup appearing corps and gets a sub 4 million dollar contract and he's a bum.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Then fine. They took someone else. There was really no one else left unprotected that I gave a **** about.

Meanwhile I watched Kevan Miller get exposed in a 2nd round again while Colin Miller played well on route to the Stanley Cup Final.

I'm not ant-Kevan Miller, I like him, you just don't give up young good defenseman for nothing to protect a guy like Kevan Miller.

I was one of Chiller’s biggest backers here and I wish they had protected him. That said, let’s not pretend he’s something he’s not. I thought he was good offensively for Vegas this year, both playoffs and regular season, but he’s still an absolute train wreck in his own end.

He was 5th for TOI in the playoffs (by a decent margin) among the Knight’s D and 6th during the regular season. He’s a 3rd pair PP specialist that wasn’t going to get PP time in Boston with Krug and McAvoy in front of him. Krug played only a minute more a game than Chiller (primarily on the PP) but out-produced him by 19 pts. 54% of Chiller’s output was on the PP (22/41), while Krug was around 41% (24/59).

So, I guess what I’m trying to say is that where Chiller was the most effective (the PP) was something that he wasn’t going to be doing in Boston, so we never would have seen that here. Instead, we would have seen the 16-17 minute per game guy that was bad in his own end with limited ES production.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Amazing how Chiller went from and 80% like rate to 10% in one year around here.

We pump the tires of our 7 assist second pairing D continually, yet Chiller lights it up for Vegas, part a 6 man Stanley cup appearing corps and gets a sub 4 million dollar contract and he's a bum.

I thought his contract was OK.

Krug got $5.25m for 59 pts.

Chiller got $3.875m for 41 pts.

Krug gets paid about $89k per point, while Chiller gets paid almost $95k per point. If you don’t like the Krug contract, you probably won’t like Chiller’s. If you think Krug is underpaid for what he delivers, you probably feel the same about Chiller (or should).

 

[missingchicklet]

I was one of Chiller’s biggest backers here and I wish they had protected him. That said, let’s not pretend he’s something he’s not. I thought he was good offensively for Vegas this year, both playoffs and regular season, but he’s still an absolute train wreck in his own end.

He was 5th for TOI in the playoffs (by a decent margin) among the Knight’s D and 6th during the regular season. He’s a 3rd pair PP specialist that wasn’t going to get PP time in Boston with Krug and McAvoy in front of him. Krug played only a minute more a game than Chiller (primarily on the PP) but out-produced him by 19 pts. 54% of Chiller’s output was on the PP (22/41), while Krug was around 41% (24/59).

So, I guess what I’m trying to say is that where Chiller was the most effective (the PP) was something that he wasn’t going to be doing in Boston, so we never would have seen that here. Instead, we would have seen the 16-17 minute per game guy that was bad in his own end with limited ES production.

That's a good take. I predicted when he was here he would eventually become a top 4 D based on his offensive potential. That's where he was the following season. He is only 25 and has had one full season of playing all the games. I think his offensive game will continue to improve, but he really needs to up his defensive game. He was a mess in the playoffs defensively. He took dumb as hell penalties at bad times. Got beat repeatedly on D. Was just plain lost at times. He was basically a liability in his own end and clearly Gallant recognized that and tried to shelter him. At this point he is not as good as Krug in either end. That doesn't mean he's trash, but he truly does have to be in the right situation to be an effective top 4 D due to his still developing defensive game. DS made his decision based on team needs at the time. The team just really didn't have a slot for him at the time based on his skill set/liabilities. I agree with you that he wouldn't have developed into what we see now had he stayed in Boston due to the situation. Parting ways has worked out really well for Chiller, and in my mind hasn't hurt Boston since they have a puck moving D-man on all three lines. And all three of those puck moving D-men are better than Chiller defensively.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

if collin miller can find a place that lets him qb the pp and if he can put up 40 points... then let the man be paid

I would argue that team needs to improve... but they went to the cup finals so what do I know? maybe hes good enough to be the man for a cup worthy team?

I think colin miller is the type of guy that can disappear just as quickly as he hit the scene. he has fundamental holes in his game that will be exposed when he gets too much rope to hang himself. I see a lot of backlash against him in the coming season or two when fans ask him to do more than hes capable

but for now... for today... he had a hell of a season and good for him that hes getting paid