Around the NHL Discussion Part XV

[Celtic Note]

I've never been able to figure out what the criteria is for an official giveaway/takeaway. They always seem so incredibly subjective. A defenseman reads the cycle, bodies off his man, and wins the puck? Not a takeaway, even though it forces a change in possession through his direct action.

A forward misses a pass through the neutral zone that goes to the opposing defender? Not a giveaway, even though it's an unforced error that results in a change of possession.

It's not unusual for me to see a player create three or four turnovers and get credit for zero to one takeaways in the box score. I'm sure they're measuring something, but I'll be damned if I can pin down exactly what that is. It's probably different for every official scorer, just like hits.

I'd rather have guys with good numbers than bad, but I try not to put much stock in those numbers. I think they paint an incomplete picture at best of a player's contributions on those fronts, and at worst a potentially misleading one.

I don’t disagree at all. However I find giveaways and takeaways incredibly important. Unfortunately the eye test is more reliable than the stats. So I rely on the ole eyes.

 

[The Note in MI]

Hawks just absolutely bent over by the coyotes. Aka they have beer league goalies.

 

[The Note]

Hawks just absolutely bent over by the coyotes. Aka they have beer league goalies.

Also their 6th straight loss I believe. I’m sure we all weep for Chicago.

 

[wannabebluesplayer]

It's bad in Chicago but I won't completely write them off yet. Crawford is coming back soon, and even though that defense isn't very good, he could save them enough to get them in to a Wild Card. I certainly hope not. I'd love nothing more than a Hawks tear down after this season.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

Does anybody else think this CBA is trash? The young guys have all the success, make little money, and then right as they’re falling apart they rake in “thanks for the memories” money while the cycle repeats itself. It’s almost designed to produce horrible contracts. Just seems like a poor design

 

[The Note]

It's bad in Chicago but I won't completely write them off yet. Crawford is coming back soon, and even though that defense isn't very good, he could save them enough to get them in to a Wild Card. I certainly hope not. I'd love nothing more than a Hawks tear down after this season.

I think they’re done for this year. They’ve got quite a hole to get themselves out of and they’re just not a very good team. Fully expecting them to win the lottery though.

 

[wannabebluesplayer]

I think they’re done for this year. They’ve got quite a hole to get themselves out of and they’re just not a very good team. Fully expecting them to win the lottery though.

Holy crap...imagine if effing sh**hawks won the draft lottery. I'd give it 2-3 years before they're back in the hunt. They would get that "lucky" though. Truthfully, it would be a little bad on the NHL to watch their 3-4 highest marketable team to have an extended down time. As much as I hate Chicago...they are a big money maker for the league. I could see a slightly "lucky" draw in the lottery for Chicago. That, or they'll swindle Arizona out of that pick.

 

[TheDizee]

hawks will win the lottery for sure

 

[The Note]

I’m not a big conspiracy theory guy but I’ll be surprised if Chicago and New York don’t both pick in the top 3.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Does anybody else think this CBA is trash? The young guys have all the success, make little money, and then right as they’re falling apart they rake in “thanks for the memories” money while the cycle repeats itself. It’s almost designed to produce horrible contracts. Just seems like a poor design

No real way around it. It's just more highlighted by the fact that players are hitting their peaks earlier, and that doesn't mean their primes are lasting longer.

Starting UFA earlier isn't going to work, the budget/small market teams need that club control, and the non-star players need the time to develop. Hitting UFA status before you've gotten close to your potential isn't a good solution either.

 

[Alklha]

Does anybody else think this CBA is trash? The young guys have all the success, make little money, and then right as they’re falling apart they rake in “thanks for the memories” money while the cycle repeats itself. It’s almost designed to produce horrible contracts. Just seems like a poor design

It is ultimately up to the teams what they do. If you don't want to extend your 29 year old player then trade him for futures, it's not difficult.

 

[KirkOut]

Just caught up with some Olympic stuff and noticed that former Blues greats Joakim Lindstrom, Marcel Goc, Sergei Andronov, and Ladislav Nagy (!!) are all playing key roles for their teams

 

[Alklha]

Just caught up with some Olympic stuff and noticed that former Blues greats Joakim Lindstrom, Marcel Goc, Sergei Andronov, and Ladislav Nagy (!!) are all playing key roles for their teams

Derek Roy with 3 points for Canada in their first game.

If we could dress 20 skaters a game, he’d still be in the NHL simply to play 4 minutes a game on the PP.

 

[KirkOut]

Derek Roy with 3 points for Canada in their first game.

If we could dress 20 skaters a game, he’d still be in the NHL simply to play 4 minutes a game on the PP.

How could I forget! I remember watching a playoff game against LA where Roy was the 1st line center and Tarasenko was on the 4th line. Those were the days

 

[TheBluePenguin]

Don't forget Blues legend Maxim Lapierre

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

This is why I have basically no interest in the Olympic hockey. Without NHL players is a farce.

 

[Stealth JD]

Just caught up with some Olympic stuff and noticed that former Blues greats Joakim Lindstrom, Marcel Goc, Sergei Andronov, and Ladislav Nagy (!!) are all playing key roles for their teams

This is why I have basically no interest in the Olympic hockey. Without NHL players is a farce.

it really is like a rec. league all-star game this go around.

 

[Alklha]

This is why I have basically no interest in the Olympic hockey. Without NHL players is a farce.

Hard to argue that.

Without the NHL, and allowing other pro Leagues, just makes it completely meaningless. It heavily favours European nations, for obvious reasons, and it loses a lot of the spectacle.

The IOC decided they didn't want the NHL and done their best to sabotage any chance of it happening though.

 

[MissouriMook]

Mikael Backlund off the board. Six year extension with the Flames. Was hoping he would be a potential consolation prize behind Tavares next offseason.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

Mikael Backlund off the board. Six year extension with the Flames. Was hoping he would be a potential consolation prize behind Tavares next offseason.

Me too. Bummer man

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Anybody else see that Flames v Preds game the other night?

A lot like the Blues v Preds game earlier in the week. 3rd period Pred comeback. They almost did it. Calgary goaltender had to make some amazing saves. Preds never quit.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

Backlund was never leaving CGY, despite my wishing he would come here.

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

The goalie interference non-call against Allen just happened again in the NYR-OTT game.

 

[mw2noobbuster]

What even is goalie interference at this point?

 

[The Note]

Watching the Flames-Panthers game, Trocheck is all over the place. He’s exactly what the Blues need. Speed and skill as a center and he’s even right handed to boot. Too bad he’ll absolutely not be moved