Around The NHL Discussion 2021-22 Part II
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Beauterham
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I was under the impression we needed to waive / trade him to fit Perunovich' contract under the cap?
Majorityof1
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I think you may be right about it being payback for Joshua. If Toronto called and said they wanted him, then we could have sent him there for Joshua. I am fine with that.
That said, there was no cap situation. Clifford in the AHL has zero impact on the salary cap. It may affect our internal budget, but he has 0 cap hit in the AHL. You can bury up to $1.25M of a player's cap hit. Clifford is less than that.
yes, but we could have sent him to springfield after he cleared waivers and would have no cap charge. so no cap savings by dealing him at that point. we do save actual $ though, which isn't nothing.
Renard
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I know nothing about how the league determines cap hits, and I don't want to learn. It takes the fun out of hockey for me.
Looks like the Pens might be getting sold to the guy who owns the Boston Red Sox and the Liverpool soccer team. How many pro sports franchises does one guy need?
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I'd be shocked if this wasn't at least partially a favor to Clifford. The Marlies play in an NHL building, are treated closer to NHL players than any other AHL affiliate, are part of an organization Clifford is familiar with, and are just a couple hours from his home town. I think he has a more realistic chance of getting back to the NHL in Toronto than he does here as well.
This organization moved on from him (rightfully so). I'll take every forward on the current roster over him without question. Come playoff time, I'd take Nieghbours over him as well once his junior season is over. If I were in Army's shoes and being brutally honest with Clifford, I'd have told him that if he is a good soldier in Springfield, stays in shape and doesn't continue his decline, then his best chance of playing playoff games for this team would be if we suffer 3 concurrent injuries (or 2 concurrent injuries plus trading a forward). On top of that, the cap situation means that barring an emergency callup, we almost certainly won't be able to call him up mid-season for short-term fill ins. And there is the distinct possibility that he is passed on the depth chart by another AHL guy between now and April since Joshua and Mac will get NHL looks before him.
I think you owe a vet like Clifford that honesty and I can't blame him for hearing it and saying "if you can get me to a better situation for me personally, I'd appreciate it." Given our organizational depth, I think that a quality organization sees if they can honor that. While his "best case" scenario is that he is 14th on our depth chart in raw ability, I'm more than comfortable looking at Joshua and MacMac as at least purely lateral plug ins. The cap situation means that those two would have been the mid-season call ups over Clifford so long as Perunovich is in the NHL. Realistically, Clifford became the 16th forward on the in-season depth chart and was no higher than 15th for the playoff depth chart. The reputation gain of "doing right by a vet" and getting him to a better spot for his career outweighs the organizational advantage of holding on to a 15th/16th forward and killing any remnants of his NHL career. If we are in a situation where we are relying on our 16th forward at the NHL level, guys as good as Clifford are available on waivers for a short term solution.
This was the right thing to do for the player and the odds of it tangibly harming the team are less than 1%. We also get the advantage of not paying a guy a $1.25M salary to play in the NHL in a year where attendance is fairly soft. Probably worth noting that his agent represents a good chunk of bottom 6 and 4th line talent who are generally sub-$1M UFAs who choose destinations based on roster fit and organizational trust. This is one of those moves that may help you land a depth piece in the future when that agent praises your organization. This is a good thing for the player, a good thing for ownership's bank accounts and a good thing for the front office reputation around the league. The downside is simply losing a player who is wholly redundant until we suffer 4+ simultaneous injuries. I'll take my chances that we either don't suffer those injuries or can find a suitable replacement on waivers if those injuries come.
This organization moved on from him (rightfully so). I'll take every forward on the current roster over him without question. Come playoff time, I'd take Nieghbours over him as well once his junior season is over. If I were in Army's shoes and being brutally honest with Clifford, I'd have told him that if he is a good soldier in Springfield, stays in shape and doesn't continue his decline, then his best chance of playing playoff games for this team would be if we suffer 3 concurrent injuries (or 2 concurrent injuries plus trading a forward). On top of that, the cap situation means that barring an emergency callup, we almost certainly won't be able to call him up mid-season for short-term fill ins. And there is the distinct possibility that he is passed on the depth chart by another AHL guy between now and April since Joshua and Mac will get NHL looks before him.
I think you owe a vet like Clifford that honesty and I can't blame him for hearing it and saying "if you can get me to a better situation for me personally, I'd appreciate it." Given our organizational depth, I think that a quality organization sees if they can honor that. While his "best case" scenario is that he is 14th on our depth chart in raw ability, I'm more than comfortable looking at Joshua and MacMac as at least purely lateral plug ins. The cap situation means that those two would have been the mid-season call ups over Clifford so long as Perunovich is in the NHL. Realistically, Clifford became the 16th forward on the in-season depth chart and was no higher than 15th for the playoff depth chart. The reputation gain of "doing right by a vet" and getting him to a better spot for his career outweighs the organizational advantage of holding on to a 15th/16th forward and killing any remnants of his NHL career. If we are in a situation where we are relying on our 16th forward at the NHL level, guys as good as Clifford are available on waivers for a short term solution.
This was the right thing to do for the player and the odds of it tangibly harming the team are less than 1%. We also get the advantage of not paying a guy a $1.25M salary to play in the NHL in a year where attendance is fairly soft. Probably worth noting that his agent represents a good chunk of bottom 6 and 4th line talent who are generally sub-$1M UFAs who choose destinations based on roster fit and organizational trust. This is one of those moves that may help you land a depth piece in the future when that agent praises your organization. This is a good thing for the player, a good thing for ownership's bank accounts and a good thing for the front office reputation around the league. The downside is simply losing a player who is wholly redundant until we suffer 4+ simultaneous injuries. I'll take my chances that we either don't suffer those injuries or can find a suitable replacement on waivers if those injuries come.
Bobby Orrtuzzo
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He’s trying to compete with he-who-shall-not-be-named (if you don’t know who that is, rhymes with span sproenke)
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ChicagoBlues
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I was surprised to see that bc I thought he was already working for us in scouting?
Yeah he was done playing. Guess he just waited to announce it officially for some reason.
PocketNines
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Islanders finish 13 game road trip to start season 5-6-2. I think when the dust settles they will be another tough out in the playoffs. But that start could mean a season long standings chase which should create internal pressure to acquire offense.
CaliforniaBlues310
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I’ve been thinking about this as well. The past several years they’ve gotten off to scorching starts, only to fade until the playoffs begin.
I’m curious as to how it’ll go this year with how competitive the Metro is, but having 41 of your final 69 games of the season at home should help their case on getting into the dance.
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Give me Dumoulin.
Well, would still want to watch him to confirm it's an upgrade on Scandella, but I remember him being better.
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And once Crosby and Malkin get going, decent chance they aren't sellers, but some decent team in that division will be sellers.
Bobby Orrtuzzo
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Such weird scheduling lately. Tonight is yet another night where there are only 2/3 games and they’re all late starts
ChicagoBlues
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Well, I don’t know, man. We might be ok with 2/3 assed GDTs, but other teams might not like that.
Beautiful pass by Schwartz to set up Burakovsky for easy pp goal. Too bad they aren’t teammates.
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How has Buchnevich been for you guys? I see that he has 10 points in 14 GP.
Has he been a good 2-way player, are you happy with the trade, did you get a steal, was it a fair trade or did you overpay in your own opinions?
I miss him on the Rangers.
I love Blais but Buch is levels above him and Blais is unfortunately (as you know) kind of injury prone...
Drury f***ed up. We didn't need to trade Buch, we could've traded him after this season, he rushed a trade. I wonder if he took a lesser option just to send him to the west...
Oh well, I hope you guys like Buch. He's a character and an amazing player IMO.
Take care.
Has he been a good 2-way player, are you happy with the trade, did you get a steal, was it a fair trade or did you overpay in your own opinions?
I miss him on the Rangers.
I love Blais but Buch is levels above him and Blais is unfortunately (as you know) kind of injury prone...
Drury f***ed up. We didn't need to trade Buch, we could've traded him after this season, he rushed a trade. I wonder if he took a lesser option just to send him to the west...
Oh well, I hope you guys like Buch. He's a character and an amazing player IMO.
Take care.
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