Around The NHL Discussion 2021-22 Part II

[Brian39]

I feel bad for Jaskin. Finally came back to the NHL and has a season ending injury 11 have into the season.

Tough break, but at least he got paid on his current deal rather than taking a discount "prove it in the NHL" contract. He got $3.2M this season and was sitting around $4M in career NHL earnings before that. Who knows what he was really making in the KHL, but the money he got from Arizona was a big payday.

 

[Meatball]

Ah, Jaskin.

I had high hopes for him. Hoped he would blossom into a premier power forward.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

I feel bad for Jaskin. Finally came back to the NHL and has a season ending injury 11 have into the season.

Especially given it was a dirty knee on knee

Ah, Jaskin.

I had high hopes for him. Hoped he would blossom into a premier power forward.

I remember him putting up a 20goal pace as a 21 year old with Stastny as his center, thought he was going to be a solid 2nd liner.

 

[ezcreepin]

Especially given it was a dirty knee on knee


I remember him putting up a 20goal pace as a 21 year old with Stastny as his center, thought he was going to be a solid 2nd liner.

I was never sure if he was scoring because he was good, or just getting super lucky at all the bounces he was getting. Then the game got faster and he stayed the same speed -- HYPER slow -- and it showed. Not to mention his shots felt like muffins every time he put it on net. I feel bad for him, but I haven't thought about him in a long time.

 

[Renard]

Ken Hitchcock was very impressed with Jaskin.

He met Jaskin at the airport when he was called up. Hitch wanted to see if he was as big as the roster stats said he was.

 

[izzy]

Cant catch a break

also subban is a a f***head

 

[Stealth JD]

Maybe the Rags could use a Clifford.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Not a good week for former blues power wingers.

 

[mk80]

Here is the video on the Blais injury. Really sad to see, both him and Jaskin go down in these ways. I’m debating whether Subban is at fault here, do the skates clip accidentally or does Subban intentionally stick his foot/leg out just a bit? For a guy with a history of slew foots benefit of the doubt isn’t on his side

 

[joe galiba]

Here is the video on the Blais injury. Really sad to see, both him and Jaskin go down in these ways. I’m debating whether Subban is at fault here, do the skates clip accidentally or does Subban intentionally stick his foot/leg out just a bit? For a guy with a history of slew foots benefit of the doubt isn’t on his side

he missed him and stuck out his foot
like he always does

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Here is the video on the Blais injury. Really sad to see, both him and Jaskin go down in these ways. I’m debating whether Subban is at fault here, do the skates clip accidentally or does Subban intentionally stick his foot/leg out just a bit? For a guy with a history of slew foots benefit of the doubt isn’t on his side

Subban skates like an OSHA violation. He didn't necessarily intend to injure Blais, but he stuck his leg out to make contact because that's what he does and he knows what risks it comes with, but he has yet to see actual punishment from the league for it. I don't count one fine as actual punishment when he does it all the time.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I was never sure if he was scoring because he was good, or just getting super lucky at all the bounces he was getting. Then the game got faster and he stayed the same speed -- HYPER slow -- and it showed. Not to mention his shots felt like muffins every time he put it on net. I feel bad for him, but I haven't thought about him in a long time.

I'll simply repeat some of things I noticed about Jaskin from a few years ago.

He was slow, had hands of stone, but the one thing he did well was eventually countered. Jaskin could bully his way into the slot for a chippy goal down low. He was too big to stop, so opposing had to deploy a better matchup and disrupt his flow a little and he was rendered ineffective.

But congrats to him for carving out a little bit of a NHL career.

Also, f*** Slewbban.

 

[BlueOil]

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Meaning, the Blues will receive nothing for him except one fewer cap issue.

 

[BlueOil]

Meaning, the Blues will receive nothing for him except one fewer cap issue.

probably still owe toronto for steen too

 

[Thallis]

Meaning, the Blues will receive nothing for him except one fewer cap issue.

One fewer cap issue is a very good return for Clifford lol

 

[Majorityof1]

One fewer cap issue is a very good return for Clifford lol

He's not a cap issue though. The cap hit is 100% buriable in the AHL. All we saved is the real money. I'd rather have the depth. It's not my money though, so that is easy to say.

Losing Clifford to waivers is one thing. I get it. Its not a big deal. I just don't understand giving him away for nothing so another team can stash him in the AHL like we could have. If we needed to make good on previous future considerations, ok. But having one more player that is not totally lost in the NHL is a good thing. Even if it is Clifford. The Blues obviously thought Clifford was better than MacMac, or whoever would be the next call up. Now if we face injuries again, we will be calling up someone we at one recent point thought was worse than Clifford.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

He's not a cap issue though. The cap hit is 100% buriable in the AHL. All we saved is the real money. I'd rather have the depth. It's not my money though, so that is easy to say.

Losing Clifford to waivers is one thing. I get it. Its not a big deal. I just don't understand giving him away for nothing so another team can stash him in the AHL like we could have. If we needed to make good on previous future considerations, ok. But having one more player that is not totally lost in the NHL is a good thing. Even if it is Clifford. The Blues obviously thought Clifford was better than MacMac, or whoever would be the next call up. Now if we face injuries again, we will be calling up someone we at one recent point thought was worse than Clifford.

Correct. He really isn't a cap issue.

 

[Thallis]

He's not a cap issue though. The cap hit is 100% buriable in the AHL. All we saved is the real money. I'd rather have the depth. It's not my money though, so that is easy to say.

Losing Clifford to waivers is one thing. I get it. Its not a big deal. I just don't understand giving him away for nothing so another team can stash him in the AHL like we could have. If we needed to make good on previous future considerations, ok. But having one more player that is not totally lost in the NHL is a good thing. Even if it is Clifford. The Blues obviously thought Clifford was better than MacMac, or whoever would be the next call up. Now if we face injuries again, we will be calling up someone we at one recent point thought was worse than Clifford.

I was under the impression that Toronto made this move to keep him in the NHL. It's the same outcome but better for the player which is a win in my book.

 

[Xerloris]

He's not a cap issue though. The cap hit is 100% buriable in the AHL. All we saved is the real money. I'd rather have the depth. It's not my money though, so that is easy to say.

Losing Clifford to waivers is one thing. I get it. Its not a big deal. I just don't understand giving him away for nothing so another team can stash him in the AHL like we could have. If we needed to make good on previous future considerations, ok. But having one more player that is not totally lost in the NHL is a good thing. Even if it is Clifford. The Blues obviously thought Clifford was better than MacMac, or whoever would be the next call up. Now if we face injuries again, we will be calling up someone we at one recent point thought was worse than Clifford.

It's called respect. You don't send an NHL veteran role player to the minors unless you absolutely have no choice. Why choose to humiliate someone when another team would keep them in the NHL?

Well guess the Leafs did send him down. I hate it when teams do that to guys. At least it wasn't the Blues keeping him there.

 

[Reality Czech]

I thought Clifford would catch on with a young team in need of a veteran presence. Good luck to him. Nice to see future considerations is still a thing.

 

[Xerloris]

I saw this on reddit so it makes a lot more sense now.

"Clifford is facing the hard reality of being done as an NHL player. Rather than going to a brand new city to finish up his career, he now gets to play in one of the few AHL teams that plays in a major city. And that city happens to be less than 2 hours from his hometown."

 

[542365]

Ken Hitchcock was very impressed with Jaskin.

He met Jaskin at the airport when he was called up. Hitch wanted to see if he was as big as the roster stats said he was.

I believe Marian Hossa’s name was thrown around at one point. In the KHL he’s that type of player, but he just doesn’t skate well enough for the NHL.

 

[Majorityof1]

I was under the impression that Toronto made this move to keep him in the NHL. It's the same outcome but better for the player which is a win in my book.

He is in the AHL anyway though. At least according to capfriendly and the tweets I have seen.

It might be better because Toronto's AHL team is in Toronto, so it is a bigger city. But he is in the AHL, riding the bus to away games all the same. If we waived him, it would take a team that wanted to play him in the NHL to claim him. Like I said, that is fine. But having him play in the AHL somewhere else in exchange for nothing seems weird. Maybe when they told him he was being sent down, he requested the trade to play in Toronto, even if he is playing for the Marlies. That I get. But barring him requesting it, I don't understand the move.

It's called respect. You don't send an NHL veteran role player to the minors unless you absolutely have no choice. Why choose to humiliate someone when another team would keep them in the NHL?

Well guess the Leafs did send him down. I hate it when teams do that to guys. At least it wasn't the Blues keeping him there.

Being traded for literally nothing is less humiliated than being sent down to mentor younger players? We already waived him before trading him, so we pretty clearly said we don't want you in the NHL. It's just insult added to injury to then say "we don't even want you on our AHL team if someone else will take you for free". That's not respect, that's kicking a guy when he's down (again, unless he asked to go to a bigger city AHL team).

 

[Beauterham]

It might be better because Toronto's AHL team is in Toronto, so it is a bigger city. But he is in the AHL, riding the bus to away games all the same. If we waived him, it would take a team that wanted to play him in the NHL to claim him. Like I said, that is fine. But having him play in the AHL somewhere else in exchange for nothing seems weird. Maybe when they told him he was being sent down, he requested the trade to play in Toronto, even if he is playing for the Marlies. That I get. But barring him requesting it, I don't understand the move.

I actually think this trade can be seen as the follow-up to the Dakota Joshua trade. We got Joshua for future considerations last season and it wouldn't surprised me if Clifford was the 'future consideration'.

Clifford needed to go due to our capsituation and the Leafs could use a vet like him who can mentor the young kids in the AHL and, if necesarry, can fill a spot on their 4th line.