Eh, I liked Petro but always thought he was toooooooo soft. Wish he would have stayed, and should have after seeing what Vegas is doing to gut their team, but in the end glad that he is gone because I saw him, or his agent, being greedy in this pandemic. His attitude to me was, like a little child, "I want what I want and I don't care how I get it!" Remember this is JMHO, and my opinion is perfect because it is mine.
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Right. That is why Blues only offered him richest contract in franchise history.
Yes they sure did, but once again blues didn't offer a MNC and Vegas did. It just wasn't about the money.
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Yes, bc he was so loathe to maybe have to leave St. Louis that he left St. Louis. The NMC was a red herring, Blues offered NTC and other protections. What they didn't offer was as much money as Petro desired.
I would give him the NMC all day long, I've said this before and I'll say it again, It's the price you have to pay to keep your best players. I don't want to hear any complaining if the Blues miss out on top free agent or don't sign Colt down the road, as they'll most likely be asking for the same things as Petro did. As for Vegas of course they didn't offer much money because it wasn't about the money. Petro wanted one thing and one thing only, the no movement clause, Once again that is the price you pay for a player of Petro's caliber. The Blues are worse off without him and not contenders. That's why I keep saying it's the biggest blunders in Blues history because it is, Army screwed the Blues chances of winning. I'm done I need to stop.
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It's always something with these pricks.
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Or maybe if he was to leave St. Louis, he wanted to do it on his terms to a team and city he wanted to move to, not at some random trade deadline some random number of years from now to some team that he couldn't fit on his partial NTC. Or worse, to some AHL team where he'd have to ride the bus and stay in motels, as opposed to jets and nice hotels at the NHL level.
But sure, your elaborate conspiracy theory to paint him in the worst light possible with zero evidence could be true too...or at least you will keep thinking it is. I mean your lord and saviour Doug Armstrong who walks on water, never lies and can do no wrong even discussed the fact that an NMC was a sticking point. If you can't trust word coming from Petro and his agent, can you at least trust MR. Perfect Doug Armstrong that bonus and NMC were major sticking points?
At some point truth will likely come out. For now it serves everyone’s interests not to paint Petro as too greedy or Blues as cheap.
Yes I hope the truth does come out but until then I'm sticking with what I believe and what I believe is the truth.
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I mean, it’s a failed negotiation. You say truth come out like there will be some Woodward and Bernstein kind of smoking gun.
They couldn’t find a middle ground, and it might always be gray in terms of whether someone misjudged the market, or what was the balance as far as whether Petro valued NMC vs dollars, or valued stability vs seeking a change. I don’t expect some “Aha!” moment to arise. What will become more clear is whether (with 20-20 hindsight) it would have been wise for the Blues to stretch further or not.
At the moment in time, I am comfortable that 8x8 was reasonable, but it is also true that Petro could age well AND the financial picture for the NHL could improve swiftly as vaccines are distributed.
AjaxManifesto
Pro sports is becoming predictable and boring
AjaxManifesto
Pro sports is becoming predictable and boring
NHL Rumors: Golden Knights trying hard to trade Max Pacioretty and others, Noah Hanifin to the Bruins, and more - The Daily Goal Horn
The Knights aren’t just shopping Pacioretty. The rumor mill continues to circulate Marc-Andre Fleury, Jonathan Marchessault, and Alec Martinez. These are not going to be easy moves.
The Knights aren’t just shopping Pacioretty. The rumor mill continues to circulate Marc-Andre Fleury, Jonathan Marchessault, and Alec Martinez. These are not going to be easy moves.
Linkens Mastery
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Yikes, outside of MAF they are going to be losing a very good player with (most likely) very little coming back, and they are already pretty weak depth wise. This could definitely become another "Erik Karlsson" deal where an amazing player moves somewhere and the team ends up worse due to not having money to surround said player with enough quality.NHL Rumors: Golden Knights trying hard to trade Max Pacioretty and others, Noah Hanifin to the Bruins, and more - The Daily Goal Horn
The Knights aren’t just shopping Pacioretty. The rumor mill continues to circulate Marc-Andre Fleury, Jonathan Marchessault, and Alec Martinez. These are not going to be easy moves.
NHL Rumors: Golden Knights trying hard to trade Max Pacioretty and others, Noah Hanifin to the Bruins, and more - The Daily Goal Horn
The Knights aren’t just shopping Pacioretty. The rumor mill continues to circulate Marc-Andre Fleury, Jonathan Marchessault, and Alec Martinez. These are not going to be easy moves.
This is why I am not very afraid of Vegas. You trade Marchessault away, you just traded another forward away and look at the forward group now. It isn't very pretty.
Linkens Mastery
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Agreed, They already Traded away Stastny(Mid 6 center) and Schmidt(top 4 D) and still have to trade one (or 2 of) Marchessault, Patches, or Martinez. This has the possibility of Vegas going from a Top Contender to a middle of the pack team instantly.
That is what happens when you overpay for free agents.
Vegas is the textbook case of how to build an expansion team (taking advantage of the new, favorable rules).....and Vegas is the textbook case of how to screw your future pretty quickly. If they win in the next year or two, then it’s totally worth it, but if they don’t, then they're screwed.
But if Pietrangelo doesn't mesh with a new team and system, Then of course they are definitely screwed, That they scrambled to fit him in and dealt away a capable top pairing defensemen in Schmidt for basically a bag of pucks.
But if Pietrangelo doesn't mesh with a new team and system, Then of course they are definitely screwed, That they scrambled to fit him in and dealt away a capable top pairing defensemen in Schmidt for basically a bag of pucks.
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I happen to believe that continuity is an underrated quality for success overall, but Vegas year 1 is the number 1 example that runs counter to that opinion (John Calipari is 2nd).
They put it all together and it worked year one, so good luck convincing their ownership that you couldn’t find the magic formula by firing the right management person, or by trading the right player any time over the next 2 or 3 decades.
I don’t expect that you will be hearing about it being a desirable destination for players for too much longer.
They put it all together and it worked year one, so good luck convincing their ownership that you couldn’t find the magic formula by firing the right management person, or by trading the right player any time over the next 2 or 3 decades.
I don’t expect that you will be hearing about it being a desirable destination for players for too much longer.
Come on man, shit's getting embarrassing at this point.
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I think that even trading away one of Marchessault or Pacioretty won't be that big of a deal for Vegas.
They've got Alex Tuch who looked pretty impressive this post season until they ran into Dallas. Especially considering the regular season in a have & have not Pacific division - where all 3 California teams are easy prey due to a variety of roster deficiencies, I think Tuch will step in and fill any void in the top 6 seamlessly.
Tuch was 4th in team scoring through the playoffs behind Theodore, Stone and Smith. He lead the team in goals, had 1 PPP and was 7th in ATOI for forwards. Oh, and he's 23, so there's still expected growth. And his 4.75m cap hit for the next 6 seasons means that he's not likely going too far, because the team believes in him.
Well, that's your opinion, not mine, and my opinion is just as valid as yours-------keep that in mind.
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I’ve always found it a bit strange the way Vegas built an expansion team in win now mode. Their moves in the past few years, like firing Gallant, seem to point to this as an ongoing organizational philosophy.
Will be interesting to see if Seattle focuses on a build from within, draft and develop model instead. Focusing more on draft picks and acquiring prospects on the cusp of the NHL, taking a longer term approach, especially with COVID-19 now.
Francis was big build from within guy in Carolina. They are reaping rewards now of that approach.
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