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Romang67 said:
I was gonna say, after people's talk about the Jets' being chokers in the playoffs. THIS is shaping up to be the year where a 1st round loss would be a real choke. Not to the Avs who had essentially the same number of points, or coming in as the 2nd Wild Card against the 1st seed Golden Knights.
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An epic collapse indeed against the Flames led by a rookie goaltender or the Canucks after all their internal turmoil this season.
 
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Thechozen1 said:
An epic collapse indeed against the Flames led by a rookie goaltender or the Canucks after all their internal turmoil this season.
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Honestly, getting goalied by ANYONE is my biggest fear. There's not much you can do... Wolf proved it last time he played us

That said, the odds of it happening over a stretch of four games is low, but not impossible if someone really finds a groove. The upside is that Helle should be able to almost match any hot goalie we see
 
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10Ducky10 said:
I'd rather have the SC, you can have the President's trophy.


BS, since the Jets entered the league, 1 trophy winner won the cup and 12 did not.
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How many 2nd place teams?
How many 3rd place teams?
How many 4th place teams?

In your example, one finishing position (out of 32, or 3% of the total teams) makes up 8% of the winners

If each team has a 1/32 chance of winning the cup at the start of the year, winning the president's trophy triples (or 3X's)that teams chances of winning the cup
 
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Buffdog said:
How many 2nd place teams?
How many 3rd place teams?
How many 4th place teams?

In your example, one finishing position (out of 32, or 3% of the total teams) makes up 8% of the winners

If each team has a 1/32 chance of winning the cup at the start of the year, winning the president's trophy triples (or 3X's)that teams chances of winning the cup
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1 out of 13 have won the cup.
That is less than an 8% chance of winning the cup.
16 teams make the playoffs so that is a 6.25% of winning the cup,
Configure the numbers all you want, 1 out of 13 since the Jets entered the league have gone on to win the cup.

Over 92% of cup winners didn't win the cup.
The long and short of it is that the trophy winners don't win the cup very much at all.
You can have the PT banner, I'll take the SC banner.
It is more important to go into the playoffs healthy and playing good hockey than trying to win the PT.
 
10Ducky10 said:
I'd rather have the SC, you can have the President's trophy.


BS, since the Jets entered the league, 1 trophy winner won the cup and 12 did not.
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Exactly what I said, 12 SC winners had failed to win the Presidents Trophy.

Finishing first overall in the NHL regular season is quite an accomplishment. A grinding 82 game, 6 month schedule against 31 other teams. It deserves more respect.

I'm not suggesting it should replace the SC as the ultimate goal, but it should be a strong second best.
 
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10Ducky10 said:
1 out of 13 have won the cup.
That is less than an 8% chance of winning the cup.
16 teams make the playoffs so that is a 6.25% of winning the cup,
Configure the numbers all you want, 1 out of 13 since the Jets entered the league have gone on to win the cup.

Over 92% of cup winners didn't win the cup.
The long and short of it is that the trophy winners don't win the cup very much at all.
You can have the PT banner, I'll take the SC banner.
It is more important to go into the playoffs healthy and playing good hockey than trying to win the PT.
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Out of all the possible places the Jets could finish, which one gives them the highest likelihood of winning the cup?

That's the only question that needs to be answered... unless you'd rather have them finish in some other random spot that gives them an even lower chance of winning the cup, I suppose
 
BobTheSolarsystem said:
Id be surprised if edmonton wasnt lining up gibson before he got injured...
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I cant fathom a scenario where Edmonton doesnt acquire a goalie before the deadline. The question is who. Gibson has a 10 team no-trade and i thought i read something awhile back that he didnt want to play in Edmonton for whatever reason. Either way a guy like Gibson, Vejmelka, Mrazek or Binnington will likely be available. Can they afford anyone is another issue.
 
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Mortimer Snerd said:
Exactly what I said, 12 SC winners had failed to win the Presidents Trophy.

Finishing first overall in the NHL regular season is quite an accomplishment. A grinding 82 game, 6 month schedule against 31 other teams. It deserves more respect.

I'm not suggesting it should replace the SC as the ultimate goal, but it should be a strong second best.
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I don't want second best.
 
Buffdog said:
Out of all the possible places the Jets could finish, which one gives them the highest likelihood of winning the cup?

That's the only question that needs to be answered... unless you'd rather have them finish in some other random spot that gives them an even lower chance of winning the cup, I suppose
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Your response made me think about that so I looked it up.

Since the Jets have entered the league there have been three Stanley Cup winners that finished in fourth place, two Stanley Cup winners that finished in seventh place, two Stanley Cup winners that finished in second place, 2 Stanley Cup winners that finished in 10th place, one in 13th, one in 10th, one in third, one in eighth and one winning the president's trophy.

I guess I'm hoping we finish 4th your reasoning.
Anyway, I'm not saying that finishing first place overall doesn't mean anything. All I am saying is that it doesn't give you any advantage whatsoever and I would rather go into the playoffs healthy and playing well.
 
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10Ducky10 said:
I don't want second best.
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Would you prefer third, or 8th, or 12th best?

This is something that has been discussed here before. You are saying Cup or bust and that's your choice. But it means that anything less and the season is a failure.

Only 1 of 32 teams gets that prize each year and each of those teams do not have an equal chance at it. We are one of the teams that will always have a lesser chance at the Cup than a group of 10-12 teams that will always have a better chance at it. So our odds might be something like 1 in 50, or 1 in 100.

We might have something like a 1 in 3 chance at the Presidents Trophy this year but still only 1 in 10 for the SC. And this might be our best chance in 50 years.

So you have to ask yourself if it is worth pursuing the PT. How much will resting some players affect our chances at either prize?
 
10Ducky10 said:
1 out of 13 have won the cup.
That is less than an 8% chance of winning the cup.
16 teams make the playoffs so that is a 6.25% of winning the cup,
Configure the numbers all you want, 1 out of 13 since the Jets entered the league have gone on to win the cup.

Over 92% of cup winners didn't win the cup.
The long and short of it is that the trophy winners don't win the cup very much at all.
You can have the PT banner, I'll take the SC banner.
It is more important to go into the playoffs healthy and playing good hockey than trying to win the PT.
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There is a logical fallacy in the bolded line. It isn't a choice that you have.
You can compete for both. You may win either, both, or neither.

10Ducky10 said:
Your response made me think about that so I looked it up.

Since the Jets have entered the league there have been three Stanley Cup winners that finished in fourth place, two Stanley Cup winners that finished in seventh place, two Stanley Cup winners that finished in second place, 2 Stanley Cup winners that finished in 10th place, one in 13th, one in 10th, one in third, one in eighth and one winning the president's trophy.

I guess I'm hoping we finish 4th your reasoning.
Anyway, I'm not saying that finishing first place overall doesn't mean anything. All I am saying is that it doesn't give you any advantage whatsoever and I would rather go into the playoffs healthy and playing well.
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You are working with a ridiculously small sample size.
 
Mortimer Snerd said:
Would you prefer third, or 8th, or 12th best?

This is something that has been discussed here before. You are saying Cup or bust and that's your choice. But it means that anything less and the season is a failure.

Only 1 of 32 teams gets that prize each year and each of those teams do not have an equal chance at it. We are one of the teams that will always have a lesser chance at the Cup than a group of 10-12 teams that will always have a better chance at it. So our odds might be something like 1 in 50, or 1 in 100.

We might have something like a 1 in 3 chance at the Presidents Trophy this year but still only 1 in 10 for the SC. And this might be our best chance in 50 years.

So you have to ask yourself if it is worth pursuing the PT. How much will resting some players affect our chances at either prize?
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Having a hard time following the conversation here.

A few presidents trophies would really add to the culture of the organization winning.

Have a hard time getting my mind around not wanting to win the Presidents trophy.
 
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jokesondee said:
I cant fathom a scenario where Edmonton doesnt acquire a goalie before the deadline. The question is who. Gibson has a 10 team no-trade and i thought i read something awhile back that he didnt want to play in Edmonton for whatever reason. Either way a guy like Gibson, Vejmelka, Mrazek or Binnington will likely be available. Can they afford anyone is another issue.
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When is brossoit back
 
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