Around the NHL 2024/25

[bustamente]

10,818 at the game according to NHL. Actually, looked to be a lot less than that on TV.

That lower bowl was deserted even the pbp guy said small crowd during the telecast but hey they have won 2 in a row.

 

[KingBogo]

I just don't see how that model works.

By the time you're competing your first batch of good players are approaching ufa and are really expensive, and if you make a couple of drafting mistakes you're no better than you would have been had you just tried to keep reloading.

Then you have a bunch of fan attrition and no real success.

How many times does the full rebuild work vs. fail?

I think you need 2 conditions for a successful rebuild unless you draft a couple superstars in quick succession. You need some young depth already in place that you hold onto that can help bring along the kids and still be good players throughout the rebuild. Then you need to be a destination market that attracts UFAs to jump start things once the kids have developed for a few years.

 

[DRW204]

Sportico released their 2024 NHL Team Valuation List:

NHL Valuations Ranking List

 

[WolfHouse]

I think you need 2 conditions for a successful rebuild unless you draft a couple superstars in quick succession. You need some young depth already in place that you hold onto that can help bring along the kids and still be good players throughout the rebuild. Then you need to be a destination market that attracts UFAs to jump start things once the kids have developed for a few years.

Everyone underestimates the need for a top goalie... san jose tanked because injuries and jones collapse - then they panicked - they need askarov to seize his moment next year or its a never ending rebuild

 

[Buffdog]

Everyone underestimates the need for a top goalie... san jose tanked because injuries and jones collapse - then they panicked - they need askarov to seize his moment next year or its a never ending rebuild

Great goaltending is a huge equalizer. It can compensate for shortcomings elsewhere in a line up (like having a top line that doesn't dominate their matchups)

 

[WolfHouse]

Great goaltending is a huge equalizer. It can compensate for shortcomings elsewhere in a line up (like having a top line that doesn't dominate their matchups)

Only thing more important than goaltening is an elite 3rd pairing Dman

 

[Inanna]

Sportico released their 2024 NHL Team Valuation List:

NHL Valuations Ranking List

It's insane how many of those teams have jumped 40% or 50% in value over just one year.

And here I thought the price jumps for Manolo Blahnik were outrageous.

 

[Buffdog]

It's insane how many of those teams have jumped 40% or 50% in value over just one year.

And here I thought the price jumps for Manolo Blahnik were outrageous.

I had to Google Manolo Blahnik. My wife loves her Croc wedges lol

 

[Jet]

Sportico released their 2024 NHL Team Valuation List:

NHL Valuations Ranking List

Shit, only 1.1B? I guess we'll be seeing Chipman at Siloam mission

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I just don't see how that model works.

By the time you're competing your first batch of good players are approaching ufa and are really expensive, and if you make a couple of drafting mistakes you're no better than you would have been had you just tried to keep reloading.

Then you have a bunch of fan attrition and no real success.

How many times does the full rebuild work vs. fail?

How many times does any building strategy work vs fail?

What constitutes success? Just making the PO and hope? Cup or bust? How about making the final 4? I think success is relative to expectations. Once you bottom out, improving year over year is a level of success. Your fans are probably happy, to a point. Maybe happy fans filling the seats is the best criteria for success.

Season​	Cup Winner​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
24​	Fla​	one 1st​	two 2nd​	​	one 4th​	​	two 6th​	one 7th​	​	​	​
23​	VGK​	​	one 2nd​	​	one 4th​	one 5th​	​	​	​	​	​
22​	Avs​	two 1st​	two 2nd​	one 3rd​	two 4th​	​	​	one 7th​	​	​	two 10th​
21​	TBL​	one 1st​	one 2nd​	​	​	one 5th​	​	​	​	one 9th​	​
20​	TBL​	one 1st​	one 2nd​	one 3rd​	​	one 5th​	​	​	one 8th​	one 9th​	​
19​	StL​	​	​	one 3rd​	one 4th​	one 5th​	​	​	​	​	​
18​	Caps​	one 1st​	​	​	one 4th​	​	one 6th​	​	​	​	​
17​	Pens​	two 1st​	one 2nd​	​	​	one 5th​	​	​	​	​	​
16​	Pens​	two 1st​	one 2nd​	​	​	one 5th​	​	​	one 8th​	​	​
15​	Chi​	one 1st​	​	one 3rd​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
25​	Jets​	​	​	​	​	one 5th​	​	one 7th​	​	one 9th​	one 10th​
18​	Jets​	​	one 2nd​	​	​	one 5th​	​	one 7th​	​	​	​

In the past 10 seasons 2 teams have won the Cup without at least 1 first overall pick. One of those 2 had a 2nd, a 4th and a 5th OA. The other had a 3rd, a 4th and a 5th OA. None had fewer than 2 top 5 picks.

Jets currently have 1 top 5 pick, Niederreiter, who was taken 5th OA in 2010. We have no top 4 picks.

So high picks don't guarantee a Cup. But lack of them pretty much eliminates the possibility.

If you want to win a Cup, you have to drop down for at least a couple of years. You need to time that for years that have strong draft classes. At least strong at the top. Then you need to draft well. Then you need to stay the course.

The alternative is to stay in that mushy middle, making the PO more often than not and hoping to win a series or two.

 

[DRW204]

Shit, only 1.1B? I guess we'll be seeing Chipman at Siloam mission

1.53B CAD, as of right now

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think you need 2 conditions for a successful rebuild unless you draft a couple superstars in quick succession. You need some young depth already in place that you hold onto that can help bring along the kids and still be good players throughout the rebuild. Then you need to be a destination market that attracts UFAs to jump start things once the kids have developed for a few years.

So if you are not a destination market you don't have a chance?
I really don't think those UFAs are a required part of it.

I think you need some solid veteran players to help bring the kids along. They need to still be fairly young when you start out if they are still going to be good enough when your young draftees begin to arrive. I think you can supplement those players with UFAs. Just not the big name guys who choose their destinations.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

I just don't see how that model works.

By the time you're competing your first batch of good players are approaching ufa and are really expensive, and if you make a couple of drafting mistakes you're no better than you would have been had you just tried to keep reloading.

Then you have a bunch of fan attrition and no real success.

How many times does the full rebuild work vs. fail?

Sharks literally had no other choice than full rebuild. Bad, bloated contracts given to declining and underperforming vets + zero prospect pipeline = full rebuild.

Pretty hard to reload when you’re not going to get good market value on what few assets you have. Look at what E. Karlsson fetched coming off a 100 point season.

To me, the whole reload/rebuild thing is a bit of a fan construct. Most organizations - possibly excluding the real poverty ones like Coyotes or Melnyk-owned Sens - would love to stay in a perpetually competitive state and invest the money to do so.

I think what we term “rebuild/reloads” are decisions that come about pretty organically once the brass realizes there’s little to no hope of competing for a playoff spot with the roster they have.

 

[Jet]

1.53B CAD, as of right now

Whew!

 

[roccerfeller]

KK starting for Avs tonight

Will be interesting to see what happens

 

[bustamente]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851655462581846213

 

[DRW204]

KK starting for Avs tonight

Will be interesting to see what happens

the Avs are decimated w/ injuries right now. i believe 6 top-9ers are out, excluding Landeskog, & they have Kylington at Fwd

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

the Avs are decimated w/ injuries right now. i believe 6 top-9ers are out, excluding Landeskog, & they have Kylington at Fwd

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Gotta love that one name. The Czech so nice, they named him twice.

 

[Guardian17]

Sportico released their 2024 NHL Team Valuation List:

NHL Valuations Ranking List

 

[SLAYER]

I strongly dislike that they listed teams in alphabetical order rather than by valuation (in this graphic)

 

[Section 325]

Sportico released their 2024 NHL Team Valuation List:

NHL Valuations Ranking List

So the Jets have gained 1 billion dollars in value since True North bought the team from Atlanta Spirit?!

That's nuts

 

[Buffdog]

So the Jets have gained 1 billion dollars in value since True North bought the team from Atlanta Spirit?!

That's nuts

And people are freaking out over a few thousand empty seats

Whatever revenue shortfalls they might be facing due to dropped attendance are more than made up for with other revenue streams and franchise value appreciation

 

[DRW204]

I remember seeing this last year

Further to sporticos valuation is their underlying data visual for 2024

Sportico's NHL Valuations

So the Jets have gained 1 billion dollars in value since True North bought the team from Atlanta Spirit?!

That's nuts

not really surprising. the entire league is up in valuation. the average in 2011 was 240M (this is from Forbes), and according to Sportico is now at 1.79B. The Jets did luck out bc exchange was nearly par in 2011 vs now when its close 1.4x

 

[JetsFan815]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851757996080083418

Think he would have been a good fit on the Jets for that price and could be Pionk's heir-apparent for next season. Good deal for the Sharks.

 

[bustamente]

Have no idea what happened to Liljegren in TO but I guess Berube's didn't see a spot for him on there D.