Around the NHL 2024-25 regular season Part II

[Oneiro]

Yeah, barring a freefall, we're locked into a first round with them. They're not trading with us this year.

If he hits UFA and wants us, I doubt we'd do that 13M number. I might like it, if only because it forces a move on Palat and Dougie. Maybe even Mercer. But after Luke, we're close to the limit on top end guys and I question a continuing cap rise into what's looking like a very tough global economy.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

MAF is now 2nd all-time in games played by a goalie

....still 200+ games behind Marty for #1 lmao

 

[JrFischer54]

lmaooo

Weekes reported the offer the canes made was 13/14 a year. Goes to show you there are destinations players just want to avoid.

If the report is true and if he doesn’t take it.

 

[JrFischer54]

MAF is now 2nd all-time in games played by a goalie

....still 200+ games behind Marty for #1 lmao

Still pretty impressive he’s going to end two years earlier than Marty and never played 70 in a season and you factor in missed time with covid and the following year. I know I’m the only one on here thinking his wins record will fall that’s fine I def was the only one on here saying ovie would break the goal record.

 

[britdevil]

Still pretty impressive he’s going to end two years earlier than Marty and never played 70 in a season and you factor in missed time with covid and the following year. I know I’m the only one on here thinking his wins record will fall that’s fine I def was the only one on here saying ovie would break the goal record.

There isn't a chance in hell anyone ever breaks the wins record. Goalies just do not play enough games for as long as Marty did, on a team that was that successful.

Marty was a complete freak of nature.

 

[Guttersniped]

There isn't a chance in hell anyone ever breaks the wins record. Goalies just do not play enough games for as long as Marty did, on a team that was that successful.

Marty was a complete freak of nature.

Yep.

If any goalie had a some sort of theoretical chance it was Fleury. He played in the NHL starting at 19. Starting in his 3rd year his teams made the playoffs every season. He’s been incredibly durable with few injuries.

And Fluery is still 118 wins behind Brodeur. Brodeur has too many +40 win seasons, it’s impossible to gain ground on him.

And that’s despite there being ties until Brodeur was 33 and all the lost games due to 3 lockouts.


Since 1984-85
There’s been 75 single seasons with +70 GP (goalies) by 34 goalies (none by Fleury)
18 goalies have 1
6 goalies have 2
6 goalies have 3
2 goalies have 4 (Lundqvist & Luongo)
1 goalie has 7 (Kiprusoff)
1 goalie has 12 (Brodeur)

There’s been 49 single seasons with +40 wins by 30 goalies:
21 goalies have 1
4 goalies have 2 (Belfour, Fleury, Luongo, Miller)
4 goalies have 3 (Holtby, Kiprusoff, Nabokov, Rinne)
1 goalie has 8 (Brodeur)

This is wins for goalies up to age 30. (post 2000 goalies + Brodeur highlighted)


And goalies over 30 (post 2000 goalies + Brodeur highlighted)

 

[forceten]

Marty also had the benefit of coming up right at the start of the team's window which ended up being what, 17 or 18 years long? We were very good for a very long time. I know initially post-lockout we stumbled but we still managed to get to the finals in 2012 (and should have won!!! Fayne puck hop and Kovy crossbar in games 1 and 2!)

 

[Satans Hockey]

Rumors going around that Matthew Tkachuk could be done for the year.

No idea why they played him in the final, he was clearly hurt and provided nothing because of it. Should have had him behind the bench as a player coach instead and used Connor. The medical and coaching staff really suck for team USA.

 

[TheBeerNerd]

The Canucks really gotta get rid of Tocchet behind the bench. The chatter about Pettersson (Elias, forward) is very similar to what we heard about Clayton Keller in Arizona. Guess what caused the latter to improve drastically.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Weekes reported the offer the canes made was 13/14 a year. Goes to show you there are destinations players just want to avoid.

If the report is true and if he doesn’t take it.

There are definitely destinations players would prefer to go to or not go to. I think what we are seeing is a player that has no reason to rush and sign when he was just traded and doesn’t have a connection to the team as he did with Colorado and the years he spent there. He could also be waiting for the official word on the rising Cap and what he and his agent have to work with. Why sign now when he can wait a few months and get the same offer the Canes are giving him but have 5-8 destinations to choose from?

For the record… Raleigh is great place to live and play hockey but who knows how Mikko feels about that.

 

[Triumph]

Rumors going around that Matthew Tkachuk could be done for the year.

No idea why they played him in the final, he was clearly hurt and provided nothing because of it. Should have had him behind the bench as a player coach instead and used Connor. The medical and coaching staff really suck for team USA.

It's dumb to do this in the playoffs sometimes but at least the excuse there is that the replacement isn't very good, it's beyond stupid to do this in a best-on-best tournament when you have a replacement who is also one of the best scorers in the league. Just dumb Willis Reed macho shit, if a guy can't play, don't let him play.

 

[Devils731]

If it’s a groin pull the it all makes a little more sense as groin pulls can feel good until they don’t and you don’t really damage them more, you just re-aggravate.

As for actually playing, he should have bowed out of the championship game. Despite his groin likely feeling a little bit better, even the pregame skate would have let him know it was going to get bad again if he pushed it.

 

[JrFischer54]

Yep.

If any goalie had a some sort of theoretical chance it was Fleury. He played in the NHL starting at 19. Starting in his 3rd year his teams made the playoffs every season. He’s been incredibly durable with few injuries.

And Fluery is still 118 wins behind Brodeur. Brodeur has too many +40 win seasons, it’s impossible to gain ground on him.

And that’s despite there being ties until Brodeur was 33 and all the lost games due to 3 lockouts.


Since 1984-85
There’s been 75 single seasons with +70 GP (goalies) by 34 goalies (none by Fleury)
18 goalies have 1
6 goalies have 2
6 goalies have 3
2 goalies have 4 (Lundqvist & Luongo)
1 goalie has 7 (Kiprusoff)
1 goalie has 12 (Brodeur)

There’s been 49 single seasons with +40 wins by 30 goalies:
21 goalies have 1
4 goalies have 2 (Belfour, Fleury, Luongo, Miller)
4 goalies have 3 (Holtby, Kiprusoff, Nabokov, Rinne)
1 goalie has 8 (Brodeur)

This is wins for goalies up to age 30. (post 2000 goalies + Brodeur highlighted)
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And goalies over 30 (post 2000 goalies + Brodeur highlighted)
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it wont be easy at all but i think maf proves its doable. you come into the league with a good team window opening you either stay with them and ride it for however like marty or you get dealt off to another teams window opening and continue piling up the stats like maf did. i dont see any work stops happening anytime soon to limit the player you factor in expansion and water down talent pool plus the expansion of the playoffs which i think is coming. it wont be easy but if someone was to get "close" can definitely see them sticking around to try and eeek out the record on crappy teams.

goal record is going to fall and mcdavid will have a decent shot at the points record but a lot would have to go right. goalies are harder but they keep getting better and better just like the skaters

 

[Devils731]

it wont be easy at all but i think maf proves its doable.

I feel like MAF shows it’s incredibly unlikely to the point of saying not doable is reasonable.

We are saying here that MAF had mostly favorable conditions but he’s still 118 wins short right now. Those 118 wins are the equivalent to 20% of his 573 total wins.

Fluery has the second most games played all-time and goalies are generally playing less now than goalies did earlier in MAF career.

So conditions are unlikely to be as favorable going forward and MAF is going to end up well behind Marty’s win total. MAF would need to be the winningiest goalie in the league for multiple seasons to catch up and that’s obviously crazy.

The wins record for a goalie looks effectively uncatchable for the foreseeable future for any goalie.

mcdavid will have a decent shot at the points record but a lot would have to go right.

McDavid does not have any shot. He’s effectively already eliminated as a possibility.

If McDavid plays 10 more seasons he will need to average 180 points per season to get to Gretzky’s point record.

The points record is currently effectively untouchable by any skater in the foreseeable future.

 

[jkrdevil]

Al Trautwig apparently died

 

[JrFischer54]

Al Trautwig apparently died

wow thats a total shocker! i know he covered rangers and was a fan of them but still good memories growing up watching him cover the olympics late at night damn man

also the hockey night show they ran on saturday nights with him. really wish they would've kept that

 

[Mgd31]

Al Trautwig apparently died

Ah damn that sucks. He wasn't that old. I remember reading a few years back he had cancer

 

[britdevil]

it wont be easy at all but i think maf proves its doable. you come into the league with a good team window opening you either stay with them and ride it for however like marty or you get dealt off to another teams window opening and continue piling up the stats like maf did. i dont see any work stops happening anytime soon to limit the player you factor in expansion and water down talent pool plus the expansion of the playoffs which i think is coming. it wont be easy but if someone was to get "close" can definitely see them sticking around to try and eeek out the record on crappy teams.

goal record is going to fall and mcdavid will have a decent shot at the points record but a lot would have to go right. goalies are harder but they keep getting better and better just like the skaters

McDavid has zero shot. Gretzky's points record and Marty's wins are unbeatable records as you can possibly get.

 

[njdevils1982]

gretzky has more career assists than any other player has in total points

 

[Brodeur]

Marty definitely benefited from playing a non-butterfly that wasn't as taxing on his lower body for most of his career. Goalies nowadays are butterflying at an early age and it doesn't take much to tweak something especially as you get older. I'd almost compare it to starting pitchers having 300 IP in the 1970s to now some barely make it to 200 because they're throwing so much harder and messing up their elbows in the process.

 

[Bleedred]

Ah damn that sucks. He wasn't that old. I remember reading a few years back he had cancer

I read a few things, but one thing I remember seeing last year was he had “Rapid dementia”. Either way, it was mentioned that he had been very frail as of last year and had been suffering from issues several years before MSG didn’t renew his contract.

No matter your opinion on him he did give us the BRUTAL CALL! moment that we’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of over the years.

 

[Brodeur]

It had been rumored for a few months, but confirmed this weekend. I thought last year's draft in Vegas would be the last one I'd attend but LA is an easy enough destination for me. Won't be as much fun without the teams there, but I still have a nerdy good time being there. Since the Devils won't have a first rounder, maybe this is the year I wear something silly for the first round.

And I should have known better than to read the Twitter responses. Mostly confusion over:

- Decentralized does not mean it'll look like the remote drafts of 2020 and 2021. The teams are staying home but the prospects are welcome / expected to attend. Some expectation that the teams will send an emissary (notable alumnus, current player, celebrity fan) to make the (1st round) pick announcement.

- This change was not mandated by Gary Bettman. The teams voted to do this because it was a pain to send 20+ staffers to the draft location for a week and then have to rush back home to prep for free agency on July 1st. Unfortunately with the networks wanting the SCF to avoid conflicts with the NBA, the SCF has gotten pushed back which has pushed the draft back.

The teams had a taste of getting to stay home for the 2020/2021 Drafts and most felt that it was a smoother process. Always funny seeing draft floor footage of teams calling each other with trade offers when they were within walking distance.

Although after last year's draft at The Sphere, some team staffers seemed to be like "If the draft were here every year then we wouldn't mind coming."

 

[njdevil26]

Not sure if anyone remembers this re: Al.

I think it was a pre-season game between the Devils and Rangers but he looked real bad on air. He was talking slow and slurring... not saying he was drinking I was thinking more that he was having a stroke in real time. I remember Tweeting something like "is Al okay" then a few days later he took a leave of absence from MSG and I don't think he was seen again.

I just hope he was able to recover as best he could from whatever that was and spend time with his family.

 

[Mgd31]

Not sure if anyone remembers this re: Al.

I think it was a pre-season game between the Devils and Rangers but he looked real bad on air. He was talking slow and slurring... not saying he was drinking I was thinking more that he was having a stroke in real time. I remember Tweeting something like "is Al okay" then a few days later he took a leave of absence from MSG and I don't think he was seen again.

I just hope he was able to recover as best he could from whatever that was and spend time with his family.

Yea I remember that, it was September 2019 I believe and he basically disappeared after that.

 

[Satans Hockey]

Not sure if anyone remembers this re: Al.

I think it was a pre-season game between the Devils and Rangers but he looked real bad on air. He was talking slow and slurring... not saying he was drinking I was thinking more that he was having a stroke in real time. I remember Tweeting something like "is Al okay" then a few days later he took a leave of absence from MSG and I don't think he was seen again.

I just hope he was able to recover as best he could from whatever that was and spend time with his family.

Ya I remember that too so I can't say I'm surprised he passed because he looked terrible years ago on some of those broadcasts and pretty sure he was an alcoholic and he left/didn't have his contract renewed due to "personal reasons"