Around the NHL 2024-25 regular season Part II

[NJDevs26]

I'm sure the Sharks didn't think that 1st round pick in the Karlsson trade would become Tim Stutzle (#3 overall pick). Things change quick in the NHL and betting on a forward core built around 30+ talent (Miller, Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider and Trocheck) is a risky venture.

Not to mention even if it ends up being a mid 1st round pick that's still great value for a player signed between 32-37 with locker room concerns.

If they miss the playoffs two straight years they have bigger issues than sweating out the 2026 lottery since they’re all getting fired anyway. And if they don’t it’s not like they’re using that pick as anything other than trade bait regardless.

 

[Lou Bloom]

If they miss the playoffs two straight years they have bigger issues than sweating out the lottery since they’re all getting fired anyway. And if they don’t it’s not like they’re using that pick as anything other than trade bait regardless.

So if the trade goes bad it doesn't matter because Drury would be fired anyway? What kind of logic is that? If the trade sets the organization back multiple years that'd still be a horrible trade, whether Drury is around to clean up the mess or not.

 

[NJDevs26]

So if the trade goes bad it doesn't matter because Drury would be fired anyway? What kind of logic is that? If the trade sets the organization back multiple years that'd still be a horrible trade, whether Drury is around to clean up the mess or not.

I’m saying you can’t use the extreme worst case scenario to say a trade is bad, I could do it the other way and say Miller remains an impact player for 3-4 years and all they gave up was an injury prone middle sixer and a mid round first, tbh that worst case is a lot more likely to happen or at least closer to the median than the whole OMG they gave up a 2026 lottery pick and star in Chytil HF alarmism. I’m not trying to make the case they gave up pick #32 but that’s about as likely as giving up a top three pick in 2026

 

[Lou Bloom]

I’m saying you can’t use the extreme worst case scenario to say a trade is bad, I could do it the other way and say Miller remains an impact player for 3-4 years and all they gave up was a middle sixer and a mid round first, tbh that worst case is a lot more likely to happen or at least closer to the median than the whole OMG they gave up a 2026 lottery pick HF alarmism

Where did I use the worst case scenario to say the trade was bad? I even said in my comment even if the 1st round pick ends up being a mid 1st rounder that’s still good value considering a team is paying for Miller’s age 32-37 seasons.

You also can’t just hand wave away the risks in investing in an over 30 core. Like I said before do you think San Jose or Ottawa were expecting to lose top 5 picks in the trades for Karlsson and Duchene? That’s why trading unprotected 1st rounder picks in future seasons is incredibly risky.

 

[NJDevs26]

re: the Duchene trade, Dorion is the same doofus that went all in on an unsigned DeBrincat then had to cash out at fifty cents on the dollar. Karlsson was an elite defenseman at that point and you typically have to take risks to get that kind of player.

 

[Lou Bloom]

re: the Duchene trade, Dorion is the same doofus that went all in on an unsigned DeBrincat then had to cash out at fifty cents on the dollar. Karlsson was an elite defenseman at that point and you typically have to take risks to get that kind of player.

My point is that San Jose and Ottawa at that point were better positioned to compete than this current Rangers squad and added players in the primes of their career and still fell off a cliff and lost top 5 draft picks in the process and are still rebuilding until today. Yet for some reason you think there's very little chance/risk that a 32 year old JT Miller on a squad with Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider and Trocheck all over 30 (And all underperforming from past seasons performances) can face that same decline.

It can work out, but they're paying a premium price for JT Miller's potential decline years on a team that is already showing it's age.

 

[NJDevs26]

Sure it could fall apart but I think you guys are too quick to assume it will, and even a corpse of a team can still be in the mix any game with Shesterkin. If the rest of them show any pulse at all, they’re closer to the 100-point team they’ve been. The last time we all (including me) thought they were a corpse with locker room issues they went on a run and roared back to life.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Get Heinen tomorrow from Pittsburgh for the bottom 6 TOMORROW

 

[Lou Bloom]

Get Heinen tomorrow from Pittsburgh for the bottom 6 TOMORROW

Heinen's been pretty bad this season and is signed for next season at $2.25M. He's more of a cap dump than an asset.

 

[Triumph]

Took me a second to realize that Vancouver was making the trade with Pittsburgh, I was like how are the Rangers trading their 1st round pick again, they just traded it earlier. This marks the second time in the last 3 years that Vancouver has traded a mid 1st for a solid defenseman, not really the business you want to be in.

Get Heinen tomorrow from Pittsburgh for the bottom 6 TOMORROW

Heinen is listed as a center but he doesn't play there. I don't understand how he's an improvement.

The 'bottom 6' needs centers.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Took me a second to realize that Vancouver was making the trade with Pittsburgh, I was like how are the Rangers trading their 1st round pick again, they just traded it earlier. This marks the second time in the last 3 years that Vancouver has traded a mid 1st for a solid defenseman, not really the business you want to be in.



Heinen is listed as a center but he doesn't play there. I don't understand how he's an improvement.

The 'bottom 6' needs centers.

I've always liked Heinen since his Pittsburgh days. It would obviously depend on the cost but he could knock out Bastian in a playoff lineup

 

[Triumph]

I've always liked Heinen since his Pittsburgh days. It would obviously depend on the cost but he could knock out Bastian in a playoff lineup

He's a lefty and Bastian is a righty. I do not understand the obsession with removing Bastian from the lineup. He is a perfectly fine 4th line RW.

 

[NJDevs26]

LOL the Canucks thought so much of the Rangers first rounder they immediately traded it

 

[Lou Bloom]

Great deal for Pittsburgh getting that Rangers pick and a recent 3rd round pick for two rentals. Assuming Pettersson re-signs the Canucks could have a defense next year that includes Hughes, Hronek, Pettersson and Willander + a ton of cap space to add talent. Will be interesting to see what their plan is.

 

[Lou Bloom]

LOL the Canucks thought so much of the Rangers first rounder they immediately traded it

They got rid of two cap dumps in Heinen and Desharnais, and added the best rental defenseman on the market and a solid bottom 6 winger in O'Connor. They clearly still want to compete with Quinn and Pettersson in their primes.

 

[Triumph]

LOL the Canucks thought so much of the Rangers first rounder they immediately traded it

They traded for the Islanders 1st round pick in the Horvat deal and then immediately flipped it for Filip Hronek. I think that happened at the draft so they waited to see if the Islanders made the playoffs but still.

EDIT: No, this is wrong, these deals happened within ~a month of one another.

 

[MadDevil]

Vancouver collecting all the Petterssons.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

Can we get Bastian to legally change his name to Pettersson?

 

[Dialamo]

Can we get Bastian to legally change his name to Pettersson?

Are you suggesting a Quinn Hughes for Bastian trade after he changes his name? I think its good value but Vancouver may have to add a little.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Vancouver collecting all the Petterssons.

Might as well since we are going to end up collecting all the Hughes