Around the NHL 2024-25 regular season Part II

[NjDevsRR]

Sounds like a lot of cope from you guys.

That being said, center depth was sacrificed in the trade and this isn’t a video game. Who knows what this does to their chemistry. History is littered with trade deadlines deals that look good on paper but don’t work out

This is cope tho

 

[guitarguyvic]

This is cope tho

No I’m acknowledging both potential sides of the spectrum. I think this is a high risk high reward move by the canes. I don’t think there’s really anything that will be “marginal” about it. If it works out for them it clearly makes them a better team, and my opinion was that they were already better than us prior to this trade.

 

[NJDevs26]

Well at least Rantanen's going to Carolina and not the Rangers, if he was going to Broadway they'd already have the damn extension signed but he might be a souped up rental there.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Well at least Rantanen's going to Carolina and not the Rangers, if he was going to Broadway they'd already have the damn extension signed but he might be a souped up rental there.

The Rangers are not signing another high paid winger after this Panarin era, especially one that's already won + won't age well because of his skating. It'd be a move from the dark ages if Rantanen went there anyway.

 

[MadDevil]

Carolina got better but I'm still not sold on their goaltending holding up in the playoffs. Kochetkov has limited playoff experience and Freddie Andersen is a stiff breeze away from getting injured at this point.

 

[OmNomNom]

This trade pisses me off, I hate that Carolina got such a big star

Even if it's not the rangers, I HATE Carolina w a passion

 

[Devil X]

So do yuu think we do anything to “ keep up “ with the Canes? I can’t see Milker coming here. Maybe Nelson ? Nelson and someone like Gourde would be nice but not sure how we can fit both cap hits.

Just saying if Miller legit chooses the Rangers over the Devils. Meaning Van has offers from both they will take and he uses his No Trade to force himself to the Rangers then by all means thats a loser move. By the time he's competing for a cup with that team he will be a 3rd line center or be shipped out as a cap dump.

Im sorry but not choosing team that clearly has a brighter future right now and for the next few years means you dont give a crap about winning. Have fun.

All that said I have a very hard time believing if the Devils are legit about going after him and there is a legit offer he would say no. That is if he actually cares about winning.

 

[MadDevil]

This trade pisses me off, I hate that Carolina got such a big star

Even if it's not the rangers, I HATE Carolina w a passion

It'll just make beating them in the playoffs feel that much better.

 

[forceten]

Raantanen is elite and better than Necas

Drury never panned out to be the guy they expected but was good enough to be a full time d center this year

The problem is Hall is slow and washed up. And both are UFA and unless raantanen gets Dundon religion he’s gone after the year like Guentzel was last year. Necas had team control and was a star.

It’s a swing but for this year and I’m not sure they’re going to win even with this move

 

[Guttersniped]

Sounds like a lot of cope from you guys. Rantenen is a top 10 producer and goal scorer in the entire league, typically bested only by the likes of Mackinnon, Draisaitl, mcdavid, and Kuch. Necas has obviously been a great producer in his own right this year but he’s not on Mikko’s level at all. Carolina was already a contender before this trade and now they have even more talent, in an area where historically in the playoffs they’ve been a bit underwhelming (offensive finish).

That being said, center depth was sacrificed in the trade and this isn’t a video game. Who knows what this does to their chemistry. History is littered with trade deadlines deals that look good on paper but don’t work out, and the bigger the transformation to the lineup the worse it usually turns out.

But I wouldn’t dismiss this as making only a “marginal” impact, one way or the other.

The big question is if Carolina can successfully re-sign him.

It’s possible but there’s a very real chance he walks as a UFA. Other teams probably feel that they have a better shot at him now than they did before this trade.

It feels like Colorado would keep him if they didn’t feel priced out of his next contract.

Carolina has the strictest internal cap in the NHL and Ratanen is coming off a 6 year/9.25m. I’m curious what they’re willing to pay him.

Reportedly they started their negotiations with Guentzel by low balling him and that killed his interest to sign with the team. Apparently they were willing to up their offer but it was too late. Tulsky probably learned a lesson then though.

The Cane’s stars are locked up for 4 years (Svechnikov), 7 years (Aho, Jarvis) and 8 years (Slavin), so paying Rantanen a ton can only hurt those guys’ feelings in the short term. That helps I guess.

 

[Guttersniped]

Raantanen is elite and better than Necas

Drury never panned out to be the guy they expected but was good enough to be a full time d center this year

The problem is Hall is slow and washed up. And both are UFA and unless raantanen gets Dundon religion he’s gone after the year like Guentzel was last year. Necas had team control and was a star.

It’s a swing but for this year and I’m not sure they’re going to win even with this move

I thought Carolina couldn’t get Necas signed to a longer deal because he didn’t want to stay there long term.

Necas has never been a great fit in the Canes’ system, might kill it in Colorado. (Or maybe not, Necas is weird lol.)

 

[guitarguyvic]

The big question is if Carolina can successfully re-sign him.

It’s possible but there’s a very real chance he walks as a UFA. Other teams probably feel that they have a better shot at him than they did before this trade.

It feels like Colorado would keep him if they didn’t feel priced out of his next contract.

Carolina has the strictest internal cap in the NHL and Ratanen is coming off a 6 year/9.25m. I’m curious what they’re willing to pay him.

Reportedly they started their negotiations with Guentzel by low balling him and that killed his interest to sign with the team. Apparently they were willing to up their offer but it was too late. Tulsky probably learned a lesson then though.

The Cane’s stars are locked up for 4 years (Svechnikov), 7 years (Aho, Jarvis) and 8 years (Slavin), so paying Rantanen a ton can only hurt those guys’ feelings in the short term. That helps I guess.

This is one of those trades that I’m not sure I really get from either side. For Colorado, why not just pony up the cash to keep a top five scorer? The cap will be going up, and it’s not exactly unheard of to be paying big money for three franchise cornerstones. They may wind up being fine with Necas to partially replace the production + leveraging new found cap space, but it’s certainly a risk I don’t think they absolutely had to take.

Conversely, with Carolina it’s like you said. If they’re not sure Mikko is going to sign with them, then this is an incredibly short-term high risk high reward move. If they don’t win the cup this year and he walks, they immediately go into next year with neither Rantenan or Necas…good luck trying your hand again at obtaining a guy who can bring top line production.

Nonetheless, the canes are likely a more difficult opponent for us today than they were yesterday. And as a devils fan that’s my primary concern.

 

[bossram]

Just saying if Miller legit chooses the Rangers over the Devils. Meaning Van has offers from both they will take and he uses his No Trade to force himself to the Rangers then by all means thats a loser move. By the time he's competing for a cup with that team he will be a 3rd line center or be shipped out as a cap dump.

Im sorry but not choosing team that clearly has a brighter future right now and for the next few years means you dont give a crap about winning. Have fun.

All that said I have a very hard time believing if the Devils are legit about going after him and there is a legit offer he would say no. That is if he actually cares about winning.

I hope he chooses the Rangers. Miller can stay far away from the Devils.

 

[dgibb10]

It's worth a little more than another team's because it gives them a chance to offer sheet someone.



Shakir was always going in the Meier trade. No room for him in the organization after they drafted Hughes.

Offer sheets for this upcoming free agency period use 2026 picks, not 2025.

The 2025 draft happens before free agency

 

[Better Call Sal]

This is one of those trades that I’m not sure I really get from either side. For Colorado, why not just pony up the cash to keep a top five scorer? The cap will be going up, and it’s not exactly unheard of to be paying big money for three franchise cornerstones. They may wind up being fine with Necas to partially replace the production + leveraging new found cap space, but it’s certainly a risk I don’t think they absolutely had to take.

Conversely, with Carolina it’s like you said. If they’re not sure Mikko is going to sign with them, then this is an incredibly short-term high risk high reward move. If they don’t win the cup this year and he walks, they immediately go into next year with neither Rantenan or Necas…good luck trying your hand again at obtaining a guy who can bring top line production.

Nonetheless, the canes are likely a more difficult opponent for us today than they were yesterday. And as a devils fan that’s my primary concern.

If the rumor is true that Rantanen was seeking $14 mil AAV and having Makar coming up to pay (who should make even more than that potentially), they must have felt priced out. I think Colorado did well to bring in a talented piece in his own right and now have some flexibility to fill the other area of the roster.

Rantanen is great, though and Carolina feels some pressure to go all in this year I’m sure.

 

[FinnishDevil]

f***. The. Hurricanes.

 

[NJDevils17]

I was very much willing to give Holtz the benefit of the doubt for a long (too long) time…but it became obvious at the end that he was not an NHL player. Org could not have done worse in his development but have to think there isn’t much there at this point.

 

[Clam Jensen]

Love the trade for the Canes minus Hall, he’s washed. This is Necas’ MO: start off at like 1.5 PPG for half the season and then go cold for months. Respect Carolina going for it, though they’re not winning shit with their goaltending and likely not signing Mikko to an extension.

 

[forceten]

I thought Carolina couldn’t get Necas signed to a longer deal because he didn’t want to stay there long term.

Necas has never been a great fit in the Canes’ system, might kill it in Colorado. (Or maybe not, Necas is weird lol.)

The Canes and Necas have a complicated relationship for sure. He wants more ice time and as their leading scorer and most dynamic player I’m puzzled why he wasn’t getting it. Then they say his defense sucks.

Svechnjkov has fallen off. Aho is good but not a Raantanen.

Necas signed a short contract but it wasnt impossible for them to extend it while he was signed through next season.

Dundon has a bad history of signing big contracts and R wants a big one.

Orlov and Burns come off but you can’t easily win with 2-3 ELC D men which might be needed if they let them both walk.

As for COL they have Makar to resign after next year and maybe they could not see how to make it all work

 

[Triumph]

The Hurricanes have so much cap room next season that Necas being on a budget contract really doesn't help them all that much. They're sitting ~$38M below where the cap is projected to be, with 10 players to sign. If they can get Nikishin signed that's $37M with 9 players to sign. This offseason they should be in on every UFA and every trade of a high cost player.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Carolina might have cap room, but do we really think they’re going to break the bank on a long term deal for Rantanen? I’m not so sure. That organization has chronic “smartest guy in the room” syndrome.

Risky trade for them. Pushing a lot of chips on this upcoming playoffs. They’re a good team who you can consistently peg for winning a round or two, I just don’t see them as big time contenders even with Rantanen.

 

[Dylan9z9]

It'll just make beating them in the playoffs feel that much better.

Are you quoting Fitz?

 

[longislanddevil]

I don’t think this makes Carolina that much scarier. Better obviously, but they still subtracted one of their only high level talents and top point getter to make the deal.

Agreed. Does this make them better? Absolutely. However, they’ve still lost Necas here. It’s not as if they gave up a top prospect and added Rantanen to what they already have.

If I’m Fitz, this should not affect what I do. There’s no reason for a knee jerk reaction and I know there won’t be one. He’s a calculated, measured, shrewd GM and he isn’t going to have his cage rattled by another team’s piece of business. I don’t think we make a blockbuster deal. I do see us adding a bottom 6 center and secondary scoring piece (Zucker? Palmieri?)

Carolina might have cap room, but do we really think they’re going to break the bank on a long term deal for Rantanen? I’m not so sure. That organization has chronic “smartest guy in the room” syndrome.

Risky trade for them. Pushing a lot of chips on this upcoming playoffs. They’re a good team who you can consistently peg for winning a round or two, I just don’t see them as big time contenders even with Rantanen.

If they don’t extend Rantanen, this is an all-time historically awful trade imo. They’d have essentially given up Necas for nothing. I have to imagine they Carolina has strong reason to believe they will be able to ink Rantanen.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Agreed. Does this make them better? Absolutely. However, they’ve still lost Necas here. It’s not as if they gave up a top prospect and added Rantanen to what they already have.

If I’m Fitz, this should not affect what I do. There’s no reason for a knee jerk reaction and I know there won’t be one. He’s a calculated, measured, shrewd GM and he isn’t going to have his cage rattled by another team’s piece of business. I don’t think we make a blockbuster deal. I do see us adding a bottom 6 center and secondary scoring piece (Zucker? Palmieri?)


If they don’t extend Rantanen, this is an all-time historically awful trade imo. They’d have essentially given up Necas for nothing. I have to imagine they Carolina has strong reason to believe they will be able to ink Rantanen.

Well if they manage to win the cup this year it wouldn’t be for nothing. Decide for yourself how likely that is.

 

[longislanddevil]

Well if they manage to win the cup this year it wouldn’t be for nothing. Decide for yourself how likely that is.

Anything is possible but it’s hard for me to envision with their crappy goaltending.