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Knies will stay because he's under team control. I won't be shocked if either/both of Tavares and Marner are back too, but at this point, why would they want to stay? "Playing for the hometown team" only gets you so far once the hometown turns its back on you. The recipe clearly isn't working in TOR, and the organization has done just about everything they can for years now to make sure that it does. It's on the core 4 players. To me, they have to let Tavares and Marner go. They can't keep ramming their heads against the wall with the same core.
Friedman mentioned today that Tavares wants to stay, but no way he's getting $11M per. It's really a matter of what TOR would offer and how low Tavares would accept to stay. I've previously mentioned that I thought there was no way Marner leaves given he's a Toronto kid with a new baby. After last night, I'm not so sure anymore.
 
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I think the most important thing in roster building, which the Leafs (Dubas) failed at miserably is not over-paying guys. You need to get a lot of excess value from your payroll and signing guys at top-dollar is a risky proposition if they can’t carry the regular-season success into the playoffs.

Getting guys to over-perform their contract is crucial…and too many guys not playing up to their salary is a death sentence once the post-season rolls-around.
 
I think the most important thing in roster building, which the Leafs (Dubas) failed at miserably is not over-paying guys. You need to get a lot of excess value from your payroll and signing guys at top-dollar is a risky proposition if they can’t carry the regular-season success into the playoffs.

Getting guys to over-perform their contract is crucial…and too many guys not playing up to their salary is a death sentence once the post-season rolls-around.
It still makes no sense how Marner (and I think Matthews too) got such a high paying contract that took him right to UFA and he still got a NTC. If you let the player win on money and years, how did you still lose on the NTC? It finally bit them this year when they couldn't trade Marner for Rantanen because Marner wouldn't waive his NTC. Having Rantanen instead might have been enough to win this series.
 
Curious where people like Thallis stand on the Leafs situation where they averaged 23rd in the NHL standings from 2013-2017 and garnered Reilly/Nylander/Marner/Matthews who have won nothing of substance....yet there are some posters on our board who insist that you need a slate of high end draft picks to win Stanley Cups. The fact is that there are many ways to build Cup-caliber playoff rosters. To insist on only doing it one way is simply flying in the face of reality.
You do, though. The only exceptions to teams not having a top 5 pick AND winning are Vegas and Boston (they did have Seguin but that was via a trade and not being bad).

Ideally, Binnington/Hofer wouldn’t have given other worldly performances in 2023-2024 to have a better chance at acquiring top end talent.
 
You do, though. The only exceptions to teams not having a top 5 pick AND winning are Vegas and Boston (they did have Seguin but that was via a trade and not being bad).

Ideally, Binnington/Hofer wouldn’t have given other worldly performances in 2023-2024 to have a better chance at acquiring top end talent.
There is a difference between needing to ACQUIRE top end talent and having to TANK for multiple years to garner said talent which is what several posters were insisting needed to happen to make the Blues relevant again. I'm not saying it's easy but the Leafs are proving that is a fallacy and Armstrong, conversely, is proving that it's clearly possible. Florida also has proven it's possible acquire several former high end picks to buttress its roster and make it the power it is today.
 
I get all the knee jerk reactions to go after the Core 4, and they deserve a fair amount of criticism, but I watched almost the entire series, and the thing that kept sticking out to me was how completely ineffective the Leafs' D was at moving the puck up the ice, either via skating or passing. I bitch a fair amount about how Parayko frustrates me with his transition game, but that motherf***er looks like Prime Lidstrom compared to the shit-show I was seeing from the Leafs. The amount of times a guy would make a simple D to D pass behind the net off the boards, only for the recipient to stand there and get closed in on by a Panther's forechecker was astonishing. Everyone knows the Panthers have the most aggressive forecheck in the league, yet the Leafs' D had this utter lackadaisical nature all the time - absolutely no urgency out of them at all. I think the Core 4 still needed to step up, but man that transition game is really hard to watch out of the D core.
 
There is a difference between needing to ACQUIRE top end talent and having to TANK for multiple years to garner said talent which is what several posters were insisting needed to happen to make the Blues relevant again. I'm not saying it's easy but the Leafs are proving that is a fallacy and Armstrong, conversely, is proving that it's clearly possible. Florida also has proven it's possible acquire several former high end picks to buttress its roster and make it the power it is today.
The 2019 Blues were a product of a botched tank, though. EJ was supposed to be the cornerstone (not Pietrangelo) and that involved a 3-4 year window of not trying to contend, which included a lackluster return from the 2007 draft considering they had 3 1st round picks.

Every other team aside from the 2 I mentioned had multiple years of being bad before being good.

And you cite Florida as an example. Barkov and Ekblad went #1 and #2 back to back years. Florida supplemented their roster with trades (similar to the Blues) but also were bad for a bit and acquired high end talent via the draft as well (similar to the Blues).
 
I get all the knee jerk reactions to go after the Core 4, and they deserve a fair amount of criticism, but I watched almost the entire series, and the thing that kept sticking out to me was how completely ineffective the Leafs' D was at moving the puck up the ice, either via skating or passing. I bitch a fair amount about how Parayko frustrates me with his transition game, but that motherf***er looks like Prime Lidstrom compared to the shit-show I was seeing from the Leafs. The amount of times a guy would make a simple D to D pass behind the net off the boards, only for the recipient to stand there and get closed in on by a Panther's forechecker was astonishing. Everyone knows the Panthers have the most aggressive forecheck in the league, yet the Leafs' D had this utter lackadaisical nature all the time - absolutely no urgency out of them at all. I think the Core 4 still needed to step up, but man that transition game is really hard to watch out of the D core.
Agreed. It's very odd to see so many well-informed hockey analysts characterize Toronto has a contender every year, when their roster isn't that great to begin with. Sure, Matthews is a great goal scorer, Nylander is talented, and Marner can play selke-caliber defense, but what else is there? The totality of their roster leaves a lot to be desired, especially on the backend. The Leafs have one of the worst defensive cores in the NHL, and Joseph Woll wouldn't be a starter on most teams. That's not a contender, and the pattern of 1st and 2nd round losses every year support that reality.
 
I get all the knee jerk reactions to go after the Core 4, and they deserve a fair amount of criticism, but I watched almost the entire series, and the thing that kept sticking out to me was how completely ineffective the Leafs' D was at moving the puck up the ice, either via skating or passing. I bitch a fair amount about how Parayko frustrates me with his transition game, but that motherf***er looks like Prime Lidstrom compared to the shit-show I was seeing from the Leafs. The amount of times a guy would make a simple D to D pass behind the net off the boards, only for the recipient to stand there and get closed in on by a Panther's forechecker was astonishing. Everyone knows the Panthers have the most aggressive forecheck in the league, yet the Leafs' D had this utter lackadaisical nature all the time - absolutely no urgency out of them at all. I think the Core 4 still needed to step up, but man that transition game is really hard to watch out of the D core.
Binnington’s puck handling would have helped them.
 
I get all the knee jerk reactions to go after the Core 4, and they deserve a fair amount of criticism, but I watched almost the entire series, and the thing that kept sticking out to me was how completely ineffective the Leafs' D was at moving the puck up the ice, either via skating or passing. I bitch a fair amount about how Parayko frustrates me with his transition game, but that motherf***er looks like Prime Lidstrom compared to the shit-show I was seeing from the Leafs. The amount of times a guy would make a simple D to D pass behind the net off the boards, only for the recipient to stand there and get closed in on by a Panther's forechecker was astonishing. Everyone knows the Panthers have the most aggressive forecheck in the league, yet the Leafs' D had this utter lackadaisical nature all the time - absolutely no urgency out of them at all. I think the Core 4 still needed to step up, but man that transition game is really hard to watch out of the D core.
Agree with this. They’ve lacked a true #1 d-man for what? A solid decade now?

Best I can tell, these were the pairings they used in the playoffs:
McCabe-Tanev
Reilly-Carlo
Benoit-Ekman-Larsson

I see 4 #3-4 d-men, a #5 that needs to be sheltered and a #6-7 guy. Marner averaged more ice time than any d-man.

They should’ve seen years ago that it didn’t make much sense to have 4 forwards making $11-13M/year with a bare bones defense. Should’ve traded one of those guys for a d-man a long time ago. Or found some way to allocate more to D and less to offense.

They’ve neglected the goaltender position as well but actually lucked out this season as Stolarz was pretty good…until he was elbowed by Bennett.
 
Player-wise, the only thing changing for sure is that Mitch Marner is going to play somewhere else. He may well get himself a Stanley Cup someday, a la Phil Kessel in Pittsburgh, but it’s all too clear he can’t be a central driver of team success in the playoffs, at least not in Toronto.

Maybe in a market with less pressure, he’ll be able to go forward more, to not default to slinking laterally and flipping pucks into the neutral zone. Maybe a new situation frees him of the fear of taking chances.

But even if that happens, it won’t be on the Leafs for moving on from him, it will have been on the player. It won’t be “How did the Leafs not see this playoff success coming?” It will have been “Why couldn’t he do this when he was there?”

In that sense, it’s a pretty low-stress decision.

Yet still, they’re likely to be worse off without him, at least in the regular season. The hope is they can improve their under-pressure performances because you don’t walk through the fires of hell to win a Cup without your feet getting hot.


Still enjoying the Toronto post-mortem
 
Toronto winning the first two games, I really thought they’d find the level needed to win that series. I remember the Blues beating Chicago the first two games and then not winning again. Feels like that may have happened with the Kings too.

That roster just wasn’t good enough. And that’s the situation with Toronto. The roster construction is flawed, and they’re simply not good enough. They need to reallocate more resources to the defense.

I hope someone beats Florida. Not sure I really think Edmonton can do that. Carolina may have something to say about it.
 
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Agree with this. They’ve lacked a true #1 d-man for what? A solid decade now?

Best I can tell, these were the pairings they used in the playoffs:
McCabe-Tanev
Reilly-Carlo
Benoit-Ekman-Larsson

I see 4 #3-4 d-men, a #5 that needs to be sheltered and a #6-7 guy. Marner averaged more ice time than any d-man.

They should’ve seen years ago that it didn’t make much sense to have 4 forwards making $11-13M/year with a bare bones defense. Should’ve traded one of those guys for a d-man a long time ago. Or found some way to allocate more to D and less to offense.

They’ve neglected the goaltender position as well but actually lucked out this season as Stolarz was pretty good…until he was elbowed by Bennett.
Pretty sure Dubas tried to do so and lost his job because of it, to be fair he gave out those contracts in the first place but wasn't he fired for wanting to change up the core and Shanny said no?
 
Pretty sure Dubas tried to do so and lost his job because of it, to be fair he gave out those contracts in the first place but wasn't he fired for wanting to change up the core and Shanny said no?
I don’t recall that but I’ve also never been one to follow the Leafs super closely so could very well be true.

I do recall there being rumors of a Pietrangelo for Nylander swap at some point but not sure if that was before Dubas’ time or which team said no if it was even true. That would’ve helped Toronto though as I think it was around 2018ish. So yeah, I’m sure they tried but they just didn’t get it done.
 
I don’t recall that but I’ve also never been one to follow the Leafs super closely so could very well be true.

I do recall there being rumors of a Pietrangelo for Nylander swap at some point but not sure if that was before Dubas’ time or which team said no if it was even true. That would’ve helped Toronto though as I think it was around 2018ish. So yeah, I’m sure they tried but they just didn’t get it done.
I also remember Shanny shutting down Dubas on at least a handful of occasions.

The collective misery of the Toronto Maple Leafs fanbase must be so utterly delicious that they must continue to make themselves available for a feeding.
 
Pretty sure Dubas tried to do so and lost his job because of it, to be fair he gave out those contracts in the first place but wasn't he fired for wanting to change up the core and Shanny said no?
There was apparently a Marner trade a few years back before his NMC kicked in that was shut down by Shanahan.
 
Cutting accuracy from the Toronto marketing department

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Love the Finn - Finn hit.

Good goal.

So far, the Hurricanes are matching the Panthers' physicality.

Ricola!!!! There's that great skating that's in his old scouting report.

Seth Jones great play to calmly muscle his way with the puck away from the net.

Both Jones and Ekblad on the PP.

Henrik always the best dressed.

If the Hurricanes get the next goal, I think they will win. Just keep grinding and matching Florida's physicality

Paul Maurice looks like a psycho staring at the camera.

Perfectly telegraphed by the announcer. Panthers without a shot for 15 minutes and then BAM!

Goal.

Game over.
 
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Luostarinen has 13 points in 13 games, but 7 of those points came in 2 games. He had the secondary assist on the series-winning goal against TB and scored the dagger. Then he had the primary assist on the series-winning goal against TOR. Lovin' his game. Lots of Finnish players in the ECF.

EDIT: Don't they have Poolparty in the press box? That's another Finn.
 
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