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Benny's 6M lookin' good.

How so? The guy with better stats who everyone is saying got overpaid is still making less than Binnington.

Here are their stats this year. Blackwood is better in all of them, even his cheaper contract extension (stats via Moneypuck or NHL,com):

Goals Saved Above Expected per 60: Blackwood (.273) > Binnington (.216)
GAA Better than expected: Blackwood ((.27) > Binnington (.22)
Wins Above Replacement: Blackwood (.99) > Binnington (.91)
Save Percentage - Blackwood (.914) > Binnington (.898)
GAA - Blackwood (2.83) < Binnington (2.88)
Point Capture percentage - Blackwood (50%) > Binnington (42%)
Salary - Blackwood ($5.25) < Binnington ($6M).

If people are Loling that Blackwood who does not deserve that contract based on his play is getting paid $5.25M, we should be crying that Binnington is getting paid 750k more with clearly worse performance across ay metric.

And most of those games for Blackwood were on the Sharks. So you can't say Binnington played for a worse team. I can't breakout his time with the Sharks on the advanced metrics, by Blackwood had a clearly better GAA and Save percentage raw while with the Sharks than Binnington does with us. His point capture with the shartks was only one this of a percent less than Binnoington with a much better team (42% vs 41.6667%).

How do we feel good about Binnington's AAV now?
 

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How so? The guy with better stats who everyone is saying got overpaid is still making less than Binnington.

Here are their stats this year. Blackwood is better in all of them, even his cheaper contract extension (stats via Moneypuck or NHL,com):

Goals Saved Above Expected per 60: Blackwood (.273) > Binnington (.216)
GAA Better than expected: Blackwood ((.27) > Binnington (.22)
Wins Above Replacement: Blackwood (.99) > Binnington (.91)
Save Percentage - Blackwood (.914) > Binnington (.898)
GAA - Blackwood (2.83) < Binnington (2.88)
Point Capture percentage - Blackwood (50%) > Binnington (42%)
Salary - Blackwood ($5.25) < Binnington ($6M).

If people are Loling that Blackwood who does not deserve that contract based on his play is getting paid $5.25M, we should be crying that Binnington is getting paid 750k more with clearly worse performance across ay metric.

And most of those games for Blackwood were on the Sharks. So you can't say Binnington played for a worse team. I can't breakout his time with the Sharks on the advanced metrics, by Blackwood had a clearly better GAA and Save percentage raw while with the Sharks than Binnington does with us. His point capture with the shartks was only one this of a percent less than Binnoington with a much better team (42% vs 41.6667%).

How do we feel good about Binnington's AAV now?
I agree that disparaging the Blackwood deal is not warranted. He's respected as a talent and now has the Avs in front of him, so the deal could look quite cheap before long. And I agree it's already a comparatively better deal than Binner's. But I'm also fine with what we're paying Binner.
 

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How so? The guy with better stats who everyone is saying got overpaid is still making less than Binnington.

Here are their stats this year. Blackwood is better in all of them, even his cheaper contract extension (stats via Moneypuck or NHL,com):

Goals Saved Above Expected per 60: Blackwood (.273) > Binnington (.216)
GAA Better than expected: Blackwood ((.27) > Binnington (.22)
Wins Above Replacement: Blackwood (.99) > Binnington (.91)
Save Percentage - Blackwood (.914) > Binnington (.898)
GAA - Blackwood (2.83) < Binnington (2.88)
Point Capture percentage - Blackwood (50%) > Binnington (42%)
Salary - Blackwood ($5.25) < Binnington ($6M).

If people are Loling that Blackwood who does not deserve that contract based on his play is getting paid $5.25M, we should be crying that Binnington is getting paid 750k more with clearly worse performance across ay metric.

And most of those games for Blackwood were on the Sharks. So you can't say Binnington played for a worse team. I can't breakout his time with the Sharks on the advanced metrics, by Blackwood had a clearly better GAA and Save percentage raw while with the Sharks than Binnington does with us. His point capture with the shartks was only one this of a percent less than Binnoington with a much better team (42% vs 41.6667%).

How do we feel good about Binnington's AAV now?
In Blackwood's previous 3 seasons, he had a negative GSAA in every year. No doubt has Binnington been inconsistent in his career, but in my view Blackwood has never experienced the high that Binnington has performed at and his worst seasons in Jersey were also worse than Binnington's worst.
 
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In Blackwood's previous 3 seasons, he had a negative GSAA in every year. No doubt has Binnington been inconsistent in his career, but in my view Blackwood has never experienced the high that Binnington has performed at and his worst seasons in Jersey were also worse than Binnington's worst.

Not according to money puck. He had +2.4 last year. So he was right at the line.

That's neither here nor there though. I agree Avs were premature in giving him that contract based on his previous seasons. That is a high contract given his track record. My point goes back to the thread about who has lived up to their AAV this season, and most people said Binnington had. Now people are laughing at Blackwood who is having a better season and a cheaper AAV. Binnington is playing bad this year. He is very inconsisgent. Over those same 3 years he had a great season, a season right at replacement level and a horriffic season at a -9+ GSAA. That is not worth $6M either.
 

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Not according to money puck. He had +2.4 last year. So he was right at the line.

That's neither here nor there though. I agree Avs were premature in giving him that contract based on his previous seasons. That is a high contract given his track record. My point goes back to the thread about who has lived up to their AAV this season, and most people said Binnington had. Now people are laughing at Blackwood who is having a better season and a cheaper AAV. Binnington is playing bad this year. He is very inconsisgent. Over those same 3 years he had a great season, a season right at replacement level and a horriffic season at a -9+ GSAA. That is not worth $6M either.
Weird, Hockey Reference and Natural Stat Trick have him at -6.3.
 

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How so? The guy with better stats who everyone is saying got overpaid is still making less than Binnington.

Here are their stats this year. Blackwood is better in all of them, even his cheaper contract extension (stats via Moneypuck or NHL,com):

Goals Saved Above Expected per 60: Blackwood (.273) > Binnington (.216)
GAA Better than expected: Blackwood ((.27) > Binnington (.22)
Wins Above Replacement: Blackwood (.99) > Binnington (.91)
Save Percentage - Blackwood (.914) > Binnington (.898)
GAA - Blackwood (2.83) < Binnington (2.88)
Point Capture percentage - Blackwood (50%) > Binnington (42%)
Salary - Blackwood ($5.25) < Binnington ($6M).

If people are Loling that Blackwood who does not deserve that contract based on his play is getting paid $5.25M, we should be crying that Binnington is getting paid 750k more with clearly worse performance across ay metric.

And most of those games for Blackwood were on the Sharks. So you can't say Binnington played for a worse team. I can't breakout his time with the Sharks on the advanced metrics, by Blackwood had a clearly better GAA and Save percentage raw while with the Sharks than Binnington does with us. His point capture with the shartks was only one this of a percent less than Binnoington with a much better team (42% vs 41.6667%).

How do we feel good about Binnington's AAV now?
So, you'd rather have Blackwood than Binny? Ridiculous. Blackwood hasn't proved anything.
 

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So, you'd rather have Blackwood than Binny? Ridiculous. Blackwood hasn't proved anything.

I'd rather have neither. I said Blackwood contract is bad, But I asked how it makes us feel better about Binnington's bad deal. Binnington's contract is shorter, so I guess I'd rather have him. But he is not living up to it at all. Another goalie playing better this year than he does signing a cheaper deal does not make me look more fondly on the Binnington contract.
 

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Lololol Oettinger just gave up the wrap around goal. He saw Hofer moving all over the place and was like hold my beer
 

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I'd rather have neither. I said Blackwood contract is bad, But I asked how it makes us feel better about Binnington's bad deal. Binnington's contract is shorter, so I guess I'd rather have him. But he is not living up to it at all. Another goalie playing better this year than he does signing a cheaper deal does not make me look more fondly on the Binnington contract.

Binnington has been well worth his deal. Goalie stats are misleading and anyone solely relying on numbers to judge goalies is misguided. Just ask Wayne Gretzky. Binner steps up when it counts and is a better goalie than Blackwood, who's spent the majority of his career as a backup or tandem goalie. Maybe he'll work out for the Avs but he's far from a sure thing.
 

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