Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII
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You might be right but I still would pick Stu ahead of Suzuki. Stu has the potential to be a 100pts player, you can teach defense but you can't teach how to be a 100pts player.
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Can't wait to watch Nikishin play, he's going to be one of the best Russian D in a long time, maybe Zubov level.
Stutzle's defense has come a long way, particularly this season. He has the 58th lowest xGA/60 among 376 forwards with at least 500 minutes at 5v5, best on the Sens. Suzuki's xGA/60 is much higher
Disappointed that Stutzle didn't get back to 90 pts level but he's still young. Hopefully he does it next season.
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Fans here thought Norris was better than Suzuki around the time they came off their ELCs
Suzuki has become a really good 200 foot Center that plays in all situations. He isn't as dynamic or as pull you out of your seat like Stutzle but he can slow it down and pick apart a defense better than Stutzle; they play the game differently. I understand the talk about him being included on the Olympic team... nothing certain there.
Demidov could not ask for a better debut and the fans roared every time he got on the ice.
Absolutely beautiful assist on Newhook's goal and his goal was really nice and showed off his quick hands.
I though Levshunov looked good for the most part. He seems comfortable.
Habs were not great through the game.
Suzuki has become a really good 200 foot Center that plays in all situations. He isn't as dynamic or as pull you out of your seat like Stutzle but he can slow it down and pick apart a defense better than Stutzle; they play the game differently. I understand the talk about him being included on the Olympic team... nothing certain there.
Demidov could not ask for a better debut and the fans roared every time he got on the ice.
Absolutely beautiful assist on Newhook's goal and his goal was really nice and showed off his quick hands.
I though Levshunov looked good for the most part. He seems comfortable.
Habs were not great through the game.
Hopefully Columbus wins tonight. Even if Montreal does get in, you couldn't write a better series of events than the refs screwing up in their mission to hand Montreal the game, and then Carolina having yet another chance to get back at them for the silly Aho offer sheet that Bergevin knew Carolina would match, but only did it for optics to make his team look productive.
If Kotkaniemi scores the game winner or has a hat trick, then you can pretty much guarantee that we are part of a simulation on some kids computer.
If Kotkaniemi scores the game winner or has a hat trick, then you can pretty much guarantee that we are part of a simulation on some kids computer.
Everybody was so high on Glass an Suzuki ended up becoming the star out of the two. The history of Glass with Vegas is compelling, because if I recall he was the one Montreal originally wanted in the Pacioretty trade, and he was the sticking point that stopped Karlsson/Ryan to Vegas from happening at the TDL. He was also again a sticking point in the Stone trade, but Dorion eventually had to settle for Brannstrom.
It shows you the advantage that teams like Vegas have when they can give up an eventual 1C and they are such an attractive destination for talent that it doesn't even matter.
If Vegas does the Ryan/Karlsson for Glass, the Tatar package, and a few redundant roster players, they might have won the cup that season.
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Glass was ranked higher than Suzuki in 2017 but not by much .. Vegas picked Glass 6, Suzuki 13, and Brannstrom 15 in that draft
3 picks in the top 15 in a pretty good draft and really only 1 turns out
Robert Thomas went 20th 1 pick after Norris.
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I agree Demidov looked good, had nice plays that didn't show up on the score sheet too, but overall Mtl was terrible. They were very lucky to get a point out of that game from what I saw (I missed a chunk of the second), the tying goal was a nice play by Hutson to walk down the middle, but the shot he set up was going a foot wide before deflecting off slaff's skate, off the post, into the goalie, then in. No clue what chicago was doing on Demidov's goal either, credit where it's due, he saw the opening and took it, and that was a very high skill move for the goal, but how is Chi letting a guy go right down the middle with nobody near him, not to mention both D had already let Armia get behind them seemingly unnoticed prior to that.
They were viewed differently at the time by some.
Russian wingers top TSN’s ranking of NHL-affiliated prospects - TSN.ca
Vitali Kravtsov of the Rangers edges fellow Russian right wing Grigori Denisenko of the Panthers in TSN Hockey’s annual list of the Top 50 NHL-affiliated prospects, while the Habs and Canucks lead all Canadian teams in the ranking with three players each.
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That obviously is not an exact science, it is one analysts opinion, but you have Cody Glass as one of the top NHL affiliated prospects and Nick Suzuki 39th, which is still a very valuable prospect but it's a completely different thing.
It also shows how highly regarded Brannstrom was by some at 11th. While I felt that we didn't get enough for an extended Mark Stone, and that Dorion made a fool of himself in the press conference after, there was some truth to the idea that we got what was supposed to be a legitimate top prospect. After being drafted, Brannstrom had a really strong +1 year in the AHL and saw his stock rise, which is part of why he would be ranked so high by Craig Button.
If you look at Norris, I believe the San Jose pick was seen as a bit of a reach at the time. I understand that draft lists can get really fluid near the end of the first round, and the internal list is all that matters - but even Dorion was fairly public about how they viewed Josh as a future middle 6C when they acquired him, not as the top 6 center he developed into. I would have to go back and look at San Jose's prospect pool at the time, but if he was their top prospect it was probably because their pool was weak from selling off assets to win.
The 2017 draft is really interesting because I remember the talk was that it wasn't a strong draft, but if you go back and do a redraft, there is a very solid group of players they just were drafted all over the first and second round and not really in anything close to resembling the original order. Makar would be as good or better than the top player in most drafts.
In a redraft, here's my top 10:
- Makar
- Heiskanen
- Thomas
- Suzuki
- Oettinger
- Hischier
- Oettinger
- Pettersson
- Necas
- Swayman
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What's impressive about Suzuki is that it will likely be 4 straight seasons of 82 games.
A guy like Hischier who is roughly comparable has missed ~31 games over that span.
A guy like Hischier who is roughly comparable has missed ~31 games over that span.
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I'd just go to the Mackenzie rankings ... they have proven to be closest to actualThey were viewed differently at the time by some.
Russian wingers top TSN’s ranking of NHL-affiliated prospects - TSN.ca
Vitali Kravtsov of the Rangers edges fellow Russian right wing Grigori Denisenko of the Panthers in TSN Hockey’s annual list of the Top 50 NHL-affiliated prospects, while the Habs and Canucks lead all Canadian teams in the ranking with three players each.
That obviously is not an exact science, it is one analysts opinion, but you have Cody Glass as one of the top NHL affiliated prospects and Nick Suzuki 39th, which is still a very valuable prospect but it's a completely different thing.
It also shows how highly regarded Brannstrom was by some at 11th. While I felt that we didn't get enough for an extended Mark Stone, and that Dorion made a fool of himself in the press conference after, there was some truth to the idea that we got what was supposed to be a legitimate top prospect. After being drafted, Brannstrom had a really strong +1 year in the AHL and saw his stock rise, which is part of why he would be ranked so high by Craig Button.
If you look at Norris, I believe the San Jose pick was seen as a bit of a reach at the time. I understand that draft lists can get really fluid near the end of the first round, and the internal list is all that matters - but even Dorion was fairly public about how they viewed Josh as a future middle 6C when they acquired him, not as the top 6 center he developed into. I would have to go back and look at San Jose's prospect pool at the time, but if he was their top prospect it was probably because their pool was weak from selling off assets to win.
The 2017 draft is really interesting because I remember the talk was that it wasn't a strong draft, but if you go back and do a redraft, there is a very solid group of players they just were drafted all over the first and second round and not really in anything close to resembling the original order. Makar would be as good or better than the top player in most drafts.
If the Sens just went staying close to Mackenzie's rankings they might end up with better players.. e.g. Robertson over Bowers
Not 100% but they come close. Of course even the 10 team NHL scouts used don't always get it right... projecting players from their current state at 18 is never going to be 100%. There were some clear misses for various reasons in the top 10 in that draft.
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If the Habs play Washington, little dudes on their team are in for a rough ride. If I recall Washington are big, big bodies and they're gonna play a rough style.
They were viewed differently at the time by some.
Russian wingers top TSN’s ranking of NHL-affiliated prospects - TSN.ca
Vitali Kravtsov of the Rangers edges fellow Russian right wing Grigori Denisenko of the Panthers in TSN Hockey’s annual list of the Top 50 NHL-affiliated prospects, while the Habs and Canucks lead all Canadian teams in the ranking with three players each.
That obviously is not an exact science, it is one analysts opinion, but you have Cody Glass as one of the top NHL affiliated prospects and Nick Suzuki 39th, which is still a very valuable prospect but it's a completely different thing.
It also shows how highly regarded Brannstrom was by some at 11th. While I felt that we didn't get enough for an extended Mark Stone, and that Dorion made a fool of himself in the press conference after, there was some truth to the idea that we got what was supposed to be a legitimate top prospect. After being drafted, Brannstrom had a really strong +1 year in the AHL and saw his stock rise, which is part of why he would be ranked so high by Craig Button.
If you look at Norris, I believe the San Jose pick was seen as a bit of a reach at the time. I understand that draft lists can get really fluid near the end of the first round, and the internal list is all that matters - but even Dorion was fairly public about how they viewed Josh as a future middle 6C when they acquired him, not as the top 6 center he developed into. I would have to go back and look at San Jose's prospect pool at the time, but if he was their top prospect it was probably because their pool was weak from selling off assets to win.
The 2017 draft is really interesting because I remember the talk was that it wasn't a strong draft, but if you go back and do a redraft, there is a very solid group of players they just were drafted all over the first and second round and not really in anything close to resembling the original order. Makar would be as good or better than the top player in most drafts.
Button is a buffooon and his rankings shouldn't be used as evidence for anything other than his incompetence.
Dude ranked Kravtsov and Denisenko as the best prospects in the world. Enough said there.
Xhekaj vs Wilson gon be going at it every game, the whole series would be 4v4 cuz the DoPS won't hand out any suspensions
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A single struggling season does not drop Pettersson down that much... he's still in my top 3.
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I'd be fine switching Hischier and EP. Recency bias/player progression is heavily influencing my list
To start it would be great to help Stu with really good teammates, who compliment his skills. For now it's not the case.
Suzuki has that.
He just isn’t that good. Not sure he has the motivation to be a menace every shift
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I agree he's had a better year. But he's 3 years older posting his first ppg season. Stu has one ppg season. Suzuki currently has none.
So as stu enters his prime, how many do you think he'll post in the next few years?
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