maclean
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That's dire. Though I guess whenever they decide to call it, they have lots of players who could command a first at the deadline
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That's dire. Though I guess whenever they decide to call it, they have lots of players who could command a first at the deadline
BondraTime
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With the Sens penchant for the USHL, and their penchant for big guys who play nasty, I have no clue how Knies got past thier pick at 49 for Ben Roger.
Thinking the same thing. How much better would the top 6 look today with Tkachuck and Knies at LW?
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A history of Vegas 1st round picks...
2017: Cody Glass - traded for Nolan Patrick
2017: Nick Suzuki - traded for Max Pacioretty
2017: Erik Brannstrom - traded for Mark Stone
2018 - traded for Tomas Tatar
2019: Peyton Krebs - traded for Jack Eichel
2020: Brendan Brisson - traded for Reilly Smith
2021: Zach Dean - traded for Ivan Barbashev
2022 - traded for Jack Eichel
2023: David Edstrom - traded for Tomas Hertl
2024: Trevor Connelly - still with Vegas
2025 - traded for Tomas Hertl
2026 - traded for Noah Hanifin
2017: Cody Glass - traded for Nolan Patrick
2017: Nick Suzuki - traded for Max Pacioretty
2017: Erik Brannstrom - traded for Mark Stone
2018 - traded for Tomas Tatar
2019: Peyton Krebs - traded for Jack Eichel
2020: Brendan Brisson - traded for Reilly Smith
2021: Zach Dean - traded for Ivan Barbashev
2022 - traded for Jack Eichel
2023: David Edstrom - traded for Tomas Hertl
2024: Trevor Connelly - still with Vegas
2025 - traded for Tomas Hertl
2026 - traded for Noah Hanifin
BondraTime
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Absolutely floored at the Sharks draft, 3 of their top picks are absolutely demolishing expectations. Celebrini, Dickinson and Chernyshov is just outrageous, and I keep coming back to that even on the day of the draft without hindsight.
Chernyshov legitimately looks like the smartest player on the ice every game, he looks just like Mark Stone did in Junior, possibly better (not saying he’s going to be Stone)
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Holding on to Connelly is smart as well, he’s a top 10 talent they shouldn’t have been able to get.
Chernyshov legitimately looks like the smartest player on the ice every game, he looks just like Mark Stone did in Junior, possibly better (not saying he’s going to be Stone)
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Definitely much easier when you know they are resigning with you, or are already signed long term, but it’s an unreal job by the Knights brass.
Holding on to Connelly is smart as well, he’s a top 10 talent they shouldn’t have been able to get.
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Not being willing to take on money (and instead sending picks in exchange for others taking on money) was the main problem with our rebuild.
The main issue with our rebuild was trading high picks for young players that didn’t want to be here or weren’t a fit on the roster. Those were the biggest mistakes.
Imagine today you’re sitting with a mid 20s PPG forward up front locked up long term and a mid 20s top 4 RHD locked up long term.
Then Dorion messing up the Dadonov trade.
Had these things not happened we would be in a great position right now.
The picks added here and there for salary surely weren’t great but in the grand scheme of things it had a small impact compared to other massive mistakes.
Dorion really f***ed us and our contention window with idiotic decisions that had nothing to do with money. Dorion was scarier when he had money (Murray, Dadonov, Gudbranson, Korpisalo). Spending a ton of money and assets for no reason.
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BondraTime
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Grier trades for Walman in return for a 2nd, and then a few months later trades him away for a 1st. Two free high picks for a million bucks give or take
Imagine the Sens being run properly the entirety of the Dorion tenure
Imagine the Sens being run properly the entirety of the Dorion tenure
Dorion reached his level of incompetence in hockey. No further lessons are required there, unless it's how to flip burgers!
He's more of a pizza guy, so he will probably apply for a job where can flip pizzas!
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Sens fans know all about treating your captain like shit on a final extension
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I'd love to get Pageau back. Lou loves his vets and it'd be awesome if we can trade someone like Perron to them and get back Pageau. We'd have insane centre depth with Pageau back. Engvall and Mayfield at cheap aav's would be solid depth pick ups too.
Acquiring Perron wouldn't exactly make their team younger, which is what they seem to want to do...
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They are in a unique position because of the advantage that being in a no-tax state and being a contender puts them in.
The big reason why teams need draft picks is that they get the ELC+RFA years where they are cheap. Then they have to cycle some guys out as they become too expensive. Not to mention that they are a top-tier free agent destination. So that means if players hit free agency they will sign there, and if they are available at the TDL for pennies on the dollar as rentals, they know they can keep them.
With Tampa, they also benefited from really exceptional drafting both in the first round and outside of it for a ten year period. That really set them up to where they have everything they need. Vegas is another team that operates in that same easy mode reality, but their roster was built entirely from using the advantage they have to poach pending UFAs or sign UFAs. Almost their entire roster was acquired via trade or free agency, because as a top destination they know UFAs will sign there, and they will do it at a discount. They really don't need draft picks. They get more value out of flipping a package with a late first for someone like Noah Hanifin and signing them to a below market value contract than they would out of drafting a late 1st round pick and waiting 2-5 years for them to develop into something.
These teams do not operate in the same reality as the average NHL team so from a strategic POV you can't judge their actions in the same way. One of these teams is eventually going to get Duchene'd with giving up picks 3-4 drafts in the future, but it's like there will be 20 picks given away across the league that end up your run of the mill mid to late picks, and one that ends up high. It's not going to be a common thing that makes these teams step back and decide they shouldn't give up late 1st rounders for studs who will sign with them for below market value.
