Around the NHL — Episode XLXVII

[Xspyrit]

I’ll counter with

I’d much rather have Klevin at 3LD than Brannstrom and Klevin is 1.1M cheaper

I’d much rather have Gregor playing Joseph’s role, which he is playing at 2.1M cheaper.

I’d take Kastelic over Gaudette at 4LC but I think Ostapchuk will move into the role later this season and I’ll take him over both.

- it is NOT Klevin, it is Kleven

- I never talked about having Brannstrom instead Kleven. Why the hell would you if I said that I would rather have Brannstrom than Hamonic? What does it have to do with Kleven?

- Noah Gregor is NOT a NHL Top-9 forward. If you have him in your Top-9, you're not a playoffs team, you're probably the Sharks.

- Gregor is obviously not replacing Joseph (or we're in freaking trouble)

Gregor is averaging over 13 minutes a night. He’s not being deployed in a 4th line role.

Explained by injuries and a serious lack of depth.

But JBD is a better player.

Than Brannstrom? Which stat or metric support this claim?

And where would Joseph be playing in a lineup with

Tkachuk Stu Batherson
Greig Norris Giroux
Amadio Pinto Perron

Gregor replaces Joseph’s speed and PK and has been moving up in the lineup as needed. That is what Joseph’s role would be.

Gregor might have about 50 NHL games experience on the PK (112 minutes in career). Joseph had over 500+ minutes and half of them on Tampa Bay, a top contender.

It's not because a guy skates fast and is able to play on the PK that he is EQUAL to another player. That's lunacy

And so far, Amadio and Perron have not shown that they are better than Joseph, not even close (understandable for Perron)

 

[Xspyrit]

I don't think they can send Hamonic to the AHL due to his NMC. I was ok with not offering arby to Brannstrom, but once he was available on waivers at $900K bringing him back was a no-brainer IMO. Just send JBD through waivers to make room.

Thank you for this CRUEL reminder. Sometimes I start forgetting we had the worst NHL GM of all-time but then I'm quickly reminded. And it's incredible that Canucks fans are currently ENJOYING Brannstrom after getting a 3rd round pick from us to TAKE on Hamonic, which they selected Elias Pettersson with. Santa Dorion.

If Green didn't give hell to Cousins for his idiotic penalty against Vegas Cousins is going to cost us several more games against teams that will take advantage when we're not disciplined.

I wish we would live in the 2020's and put an heavy emphasis on hockey smarts rather than size and truculence.

Yeah, he's been paired with Vincent Desharnais. That pairing has been been more than the sum of its parts.

Even Tocchet has been praising him... and that is quite the accomplishment

Well, enjoy him guys. My avatar says it all.

I’m not sure what you mean by Perron is better in all other facets? Is Perron known to be a defensive specialist ? Not really. I like his board work but I think tarasenko was just as good with more offense. I personally wasn’t a fan of either move I still rather they spent that money on a good top 9 center. Even bringing back a pageau retained imo.

Willing to give Perron a chance and see but if he doesn’t get PP time as a winger it’s gonna be tough to justify that money

Tarasenko is definitely more talented and will generally bring more offense but Perron is physical, plays a good cycle game and is better defensively, while not being a specialist. He had pretty decent metrics a few years ago. Tarasenko always had terrible defensive metrics, which was my complaint last year when we signed him, not the type of forward we needed IMO. We need guys like Joseph, Noesen, Foegele, Dickinson, etc instead... and still DO IMO.

 

[HSF]

Thank you for this CRUEL reminder. Sometimes I start forgetting we had the worst NHL GM of all-time but then I'm quickly reminded. And it's incredible that Canucks fans are currently ENJOYING Brannstrom after getting a 3rd round pick from us to TAKE on Hamonic, which they selected Elias Pettersson with. Santa Dorion.



I wish we would live in the 2020's and put an heavy emphasis on hockey smarts rather than size and truculence.



Even Tocchet has been praising him... and that is quite the accomplishment

Well, enjoy him guys. My avatar says it all.



Tarasenko is definitely more talented and will generally bring more offense but Perron is physical, plays a good cycle game and is better defensively, while not being a specialist. He had pretty decent metrics a few years ago. Tarasenko always had terrible defensive metrics, which was my complaint last year when we signed him, not the type of forward we needed IMO. We need guys like Joseph, Noesen, Foegele, Dickinson, etc instead... and still DO IMO.

not sure either Perron or Senko are what we need at that dollar amount. Lets see what Perron can do once his head is in a good head space.

I do like him as a 3rd liner but for that money he will have to do more imo

https://x.com/i/web/status/1797003585248481727

 

[GCK]

- it is NOT Klevin, it is Kleven

- I never talked about having Brannstrom instead Kleven. Why the hell would you if I said that I would rather have Brannstrom than Hamonic? What does it have to do with Kleven?

- Noah Gregor is NOT a NHL Top-9 forward. If you have him in your Top-9, you're not a playoffs team, you're probably the Sharks.

- Gregor is obviously not replacing Joseph (or we're in freaking trouble)

Explained by injuries and a serious lack of depth.

Than Brannstrom? Which stat or metric support this claim?

Gregor might have about 50 NHL games experience on the PK (112 minutes in career). Joseph had over 500+ minutes and half of them on Tampa Bay, a top contender.

It's not because a guy skates fast and is able to play on the PK that he is EQUAL to another player. That's lunacy

And so far, Amadio and Perron have not shown that they are better than Joseph, not even close (understandable for Perron)

- Autocorrect changes Kleven to Klevin if I don’t catch it.

- Brannstrom was deployed on the left side bottom pair which is where Kleven is deployed. Seemed obvious.

- You’re saying “Noah Gregor is NOT a NHL Top-9 forward. If you have him in your Top-9, you're not a playoffs team, you're probably the Sharks. Gregor is obviously not replacing Joseph (or we're in freaking trouble)” is funny since Joseph has never been a top 9 player on a playoff team. Dorion thought he could be, Staios didn’t. I guess you are agreeing with Dorion.

- Gregor is a better hockey player than Joseph, thankfully our current management is better at pro scouting than Dorion.

- I don’t use metrics or stats when assessing bottom pairing D, I watch and see JBD is better in that role than Brannstrom. Brannstrom is a far superior winger than JBD.

- Amadio brings more to the table than Joseph although he needs to start producing.

 

[BondraTime]

Gregor isn’t better than Joseph

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Ticketmaster should sell "McDavid" insurance for anybody who buys tickets to see him.

Glad I sold my Ottawa/Edmonton tickets early to help find the season ticket package, but I feel bad for any kids whose parents bought tickets to that game to see McDavid if he is indeed out a few weeks.

 

[GCK]

Gregor isn’t better than Joseph

I disagree but you are obviously entitled to your opinion.

 

[Xspyrit]

- Brannstrom was deployed on the left side bottom pair which is where Kleven is deployed. Seemed obvious.

You think Brannstrom played all his shifts on LD last season? Or during his whole time in Ottawa for that matter?

Do you even read properly? On top of the things I have already answered you, I said on page #40 that "Brannstrom was perfect to fill in for injury on both sides" so having him over Hamonic offers :

- injury insurance on LD if Chabot/Sanderson/Kleven get injured
- better depth on RD (JBD draws in for Zub or Jensen if injury)

My desired D has been :

Sanderson - Jensen
Chabot - Zub
Kleven - Brannstrom
JBD

I have never said that I would have Brannstrom OVER Kleven... THAT seemed obvious.

- You’re saying “Noah Gregor is NOT a NHL Top-9 forward. If you have him in your Top-9, you're not a playoffs team, you're probably the Sharks. Gregor is obviously not replacing Joseph (or we're in freaking trouble)” is funny since Joseph has never been a top 9 player on a playoff team. Dorion thought he could be, Staios didn’t. I guess you are agreeing with Dorion.

Sigh. Frankly, I don't even know how to answer this ineptitude

- Gregor is a better hockey player than Joseph, thankfully our current management is better at pro scouting than Dorion.

Damn, you're not really good at this thing.

- I don’t use metrics or stats when assessing bottom pairing D, I watch and see JBD is better in that role than Brannstrom. Brannstrom is a far superior winger than JBD.

- Amadio brings more to the table than Joseph although he needs to start producing.

Amadio was a good role player in Vegas but barely a NHL player anywhere else. Not the start to write anything home about this season.

And WHAT does he bring more than Joseph? Curious to see what kind of facts you can bring up to the discussion. You post a lot of opinions but I rarely see you bring any facts. Let me guess, you also don't use metrics to assess 3rd line forwards?

Let me start :

Amadio is 1 year older than Joseph who has 525 NHL PK minutes (229 of those mins on a TOP contender) while Amadio has 39 NHL PK minutes. Let me guess, it is because Amadio is better defensively and more trusted in defensive situations?

Joseph has a career 0.38 PPG (0.16 GPG) while Amadio has a career 0.30 PPG (0.15 GPG)

 

[StutzlingAway]

Power outage at the rink?

 

[Senovision]

Oh oh someone didn't pay their hydro bill

 

[Senovision]

7:15 start time apparently

 

[Senovision]

Now 7:30 start time at CTC due to a power outage.

 

[Icelevel]

Mark stone has 18 points

 

[Icelevel]

The real montembault has stood up. And they told him to sit down.

 

[Senscore]

Korpisalo playing well, Bruins still losing to Flyers

 

[NyQuil]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851424140437451020

Oof, hopefully nothing too serious.

 

[Masked]

Glad I sold my Ottawa/Edmonton tickets early to help find the season ticket package, but I feel bad for any kids whose parents bought tickets to that game to see McDavid if he is indeed out a few weeks.

The kids should be there to see the home team. If they're McDavid bandwagoners then 'eff em even if they're kids.

You think Brannstrom played all his shifts on LD last season? Or during his whole time in Ottawa for that matter?

Do you even read properly? On top of the things I have already answered you, I said on page #40 that "Brannstrom was perfect to fill in for injury on both sides" so having him over Hamonic offers :

- injury insurance on LD if Chabot/Sanderson/Kleven get injured
- better depth on RD (JBD draws in for Zub or Jensen if injury)

My desired D has been :

Sanderson - Jensen
Chabot - Zub
Kleven - Brannstrom
JBD

I have never said that I would have Brannstrom OVER Kleven... THAT seemed obvious.



Sigh. Frankly, I don't even know how to answer this ineptitude



Damn, you're not really good at this thing.







Amadio was a good role player in Vegas but barely a NHL player anywhere else. Not the start to write anything home about this season.

And WHAT does he bring more than Joseph? Curious to see what kind of facts you can bring up to the discussion. You post a lot of opinions but I rarely see you bring any facts. Let me guess, you also don't use metrics to assess 3rd line forwards?

Let me start :

Amadio is 1 year older than Joseph who has 525 NHL PK minutes (229 of those mins on a TOP contender) while Amadio has 39 NHL PK minutes. Let me guess, it is because Amadio is better defensively and more trusted in defensive situations?

Joseph has a career 0.38 PPG (0.16 GPG) while Amadio has a career 0.30 PPG (0.15 GPG)

I think we've found Pierre Dorion's account on here.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The kids should be there to see the home team. If they're McDavid bandwagoners then 'eff em even if they're kids.

Kids are allowed to like their home team and whoever is the good team at at the time or whoever has the biggest star.

They just aren't allowed to like Montreal or Toronto and not Ottawa.

I guarantee you, find one of the CEOs who was sent to jail for pouring poison into the water supply, they probably owned a Jose Theodore jersey despite growing up in Kanata.

 

[starling]

Nice

 

[GCK]

You think Brannstrom played all his shifts on LD last season? Or during his whole time in Ottawa for that matter?

Do you even read properly? On top of the things I have already answered you, I said on page #40 that "Brannstrom was perfect to fill in for injury on both sides" so having him over Hamonic offers :

- injury insurance on LD if Chabot/Sanderson/Kleven get injured
- better depth on RD (JBD draws in for Zub or Jensen if injury)

My desired D has been :

Sanderson - Jensen
Chabot - Zub
Kleven - Brannstrom
JBD

I have never said that I would have Brannstrom OVER Kleven... THAT seemed obvious.



Sigh. Frankly, I don't even know how to answer this ineptitude



Damn, you're not really good at this thing.







Amadio was a good role player in Vegas but barely a NHL player anywhere else. Not the start to write anything home about this season.

And WHAT does he bring more than Joseph? Curious to see what kind of facts you can bring up to the discussion. You post a lot of opinions but I rarely see you bring any facts. Let me guess, you also don't use metrics to assess 3rd line forwards?

Let me start :

Amadio is 1 year older than Joseph who has 525 NHL PK minutes (229 of those mins on a TOP contender) while Amadio has 39 NHL PK minutes. Let me guess, it is because Amadio is better defensively and more trusted in defensive situations?

Joseph has a career 0.38 PPG (0.16 GPG) while Amadio has a career 0.30 PPG (0.15 GPG)

Do you not see that JBD is better than Branny ?

Amado has very high hickey IQ, Joseph is not a smart player.

 

[Senovision]

Mark stone has 18 points

Imagine if we still had Stone, Nick Paul, and DeMelo.

 

[Senovision]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851420322295128310

 

[Icelevel]

Imagine if we still had Stone, Nick Paul, and DeMelo.

Instead of brannstrom Joseph and a 3rd round pick??? Lol

We’d have made the playoffs at least 3 times instead of zero
I’d like to have Gus and/or daccord instead of forsberg and Sogaard too.
I’d also reverse the noesen silfverberg fiala/larkin/?-Ryan trade and of course the zibanejad trade. We’d be loaded top to bottom if only we kept our players.
We really were run by one of the worst managers of any sports team ever.

 

[bicboi64]

Poor Colorado, they've lost 6 of their top 9 forwards.

Wood, Drouin, Lekhonen, Nichushkin, Colton, and Landy

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Instead of brannstrom Joseph and a 3rd round pick??? Lol

We’d have made the playoffs at least 3 times instead of zero
I’d like to have Gus and/or daccord instead of forsberg and Sogaard too.
I’d also reverse the noesen silfverberg fiala/larkin/?-Ryan trade and of course the zibanejad trade. We’d be loaded top to bottom if only we kept our players.
We really were run by one of the worst managers of any sports team ever.

It's actually an impressive achievement how much Dorion screwed up the incredible opportunity he had. Not everything could have been exactly as it is framed here, I doubt anyways, but It was an almost unprecedented situation of what they had to sell off that could have had them overflowing with assets at this point. Death by a million cuts and then blew his load on a few big things that didn't work out. Epic fail.