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Mr. Canucklehead
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On the SHG against, he fumbles a pass in the middle of the ice and it goes to Trochek, who has to make a play along the boards under pressure. Miller just assumes Trochek will win the 50/50 to dump it in and floats into the Rangers zone, but Trochek loses the battle and the play goes the other way. Because Miller is completely out of position the Flyers get a 2-on-1 and it's a SHG.
As much as I still hate the trade, I definitely don't miss the nights where he compounds his mistakes trying to score.
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Man that was a bad loss by the Flames. They were up 3-1 against the Ducks with less than 5 mins left in the game and lost 4-3 in overtime.
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Watching the Lightning highlights. I see the officials are still doing their thing protecting Tampa. Point is in the middle of punching McMann while the ref ties holds him back.
The Rangers implosion is almost complete. Only the 14th team, in league history to go from a President's Trophy to being on the outside of the playoffs the very next season.
But the Rangers plight offers a cautionary tale. Between 2017 and 2020 they had a flock of first round draft picks. And in order, they picked Lias Anderson and Filip Chytil in the first round in 2017; In 2018 they had three first round picks--Vitali Kravtsov, K'Andre Miller and Nils Lundkvist;
In 2019 they picked Kaapo Kakko second overall; and of course in 2020 they lucked out, moving up in the lottery ball draw to win the first overall draft pick, and selected Alexis Lafreniere. And then grabbed Braden Schneider with the 19th pick in the same draft.
So where are they now? Mostly gone and gone. And those who've remained have seen their games go into freefall this season.
I can only imagine if it had been the Canucks who had all those picks between 2017 and 2020. Come to think of it, with Jimbo we probably wouldn't have fared that much better. Although you have to give him some credit for Hughes and EP40, at least until this season.
But the entry draft is such a crap-shoot, even when you're picking in the top-10.
But the Rangers plight offers a cautionary tale. Between 2017 and 2020 they had a flock of first round draft picks. And in order, they picked Lias Anderson and Filip Chytil in the first round in 2017; In 2018 they had three first round picks--Vitali Kravtsov, K'Andre Miller and Nils Lundkvist;
In 2019 they picked Kaapo Kakko second overall; and of course in 2020 they lucked out, moving up in the lottery ball draw to win the first overall draft pick, and selected Alexis Lafreniere. And then grabbed Braden Schneider with the 19th pick in the same draft.
So where are they now? Mostly gone and gone. And those who've remained have seen their games go into freefall this season.
I can only imagine if it had been the Canucks who had all those picks between 2017 and 2020. Come to think of it, with Jimbo we probably wouldn't have fared that much better. Although you have to give him some credit for Hughes and EP40, at least until this season.
But the entry draft is such a crap-shoot, even when you're picking in the top-10.
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Rags pretty much went according to the draft boards from what I can recall. Save for maybe Krvstov over Dobson in 2018.
Laf was rated #1
Kakko was ranked #2 behind Hughes by most scouting services
K. Miller overall was a solid pick. Lundkqvist, Rags managed to get a 1st for him somehow. Kravstov, not sure why they went Winger over a RHD that was ranked top 10 by most scouting services
Andersson, at #7 that was a trade to AZ. Thought he'd be at worst a good 3C. But, never stuck. Mittlestadt, Tippett, Necas, Rasmussen went afterwards who have had more success thought Mittlestadt has been very up and down.
Right now Rags can draft between 10-13 as they are bunched together with Det, NYI, CBJ. Unlikely to catch Utah who is 5 up. So, seems like they are keeping their pick this season and giving up an unprotected 1 next season.
Rags are having a really bad season. 79 points in 78 games.
Have to factor in that with the extra points for OTL, there are currently 253 OTL points, thus an extra 253 points awarded. An average of 8 per team. So, to be at .500, you would need 90 points not 82 as if you don't get your fair share of OTL you are behind. Rags are like 7 points under "New 0.500" right now. From President trophy to sub real 0.500. Yikes...
Van is right on the border of real 0.500 at 85 in 78 games
Laf was rated #1
Kakko was ranked #2 behind Hughes by most scouting services
K. Miller overall was a solid pick. Lundkqvist, Rags managed to get a 1st for him somehow. Kravstov, not sure why they went Winger over a RHD that was ranked top 10 by most scouting services
Andersson, at #7 that was a trade to AZ. Thought he'd be at worst a good 3C. But, never stuck. Mittlestadt, Tippett, Necas, Rasmussen went afterwards who have had more success thought Mittlestadt has been very up and down.
Right now Rags can draft between 10-13 as they are bunched together with Det, NYI, CBJ. Unlikely to catch Utah who is 5 up. So, seems like they are keeping their pick this season and giving up an unprotected 1 next season.
Rags are having a really bad season. 79 points in 78 games.
Have to factor in that with the extra points for OTL, there are currently 253 OTL points, thus an extra 253 points awarded. An average of 8 per team. So, to be at .500, you would need 90 points not 82 as if you don't get your fair share of OTL you are behind. Rags are like 7 points under "New 0.500" right now. From President trophy to sub real 0.500. Yikes...
Van is right on the border of real 0.500 at 85 in 78 games
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Goncalves is a guy I've loved for years and I was a bit surprised when he struggled to start this year and ended up on waivers ... but he's had a massive turnaround and is scoring 0.5 points/game from bottom-6 minutes over his last 30 games and looks great.
A lot of teams (including Vancouver) probably kicking themselves for passing on him earlier this year. Whoops.
it's kinda funny how Rangers and LA are poster child for a fast rebuild and if you look at them now, most of their draft picks aren't really doing shit for them. LA is probably in a better spot but it seems like their success still very much depends on the old guard, Doughty and primarily Kopitar.
These are the guys you have to keep targeting, I like him in Everett and a little bit of AHL I've been able to watch over the past couple years he reminds me of all things Nick Paul
That's a pretty fair assessment. Most of the picks the Rangers made were 'consensus picks' where they were selected.
And based on their draft picks alone, the Rangers were one of the most promising teams in hockey for awhile. But it's a reminder that simply 'drafting players' is only half the battle. After that, it gets down to 'player development' and putting them in a position to succeed.
I think, looking back, a lot of these guys were force-fed into the NHL before they were ready. And we're seeing the results. They've either been traded for assets far below where they were selected in the draft, or seen their stock in the NHL flatline.
The two guys who surprised me the most were Kaako and Schneider. At one time the Canucks were linked to Schneider as a blossoming d-man. He looked like money. Now I see on the Rangers site, they are projecting him to be a seventh d-man at best.
In the draft, your scouts have to be good, but sometimes it also helps a lot to be very 'lucky'.
Outside of the usual fans are stupid sentiment they could try doing something that you mentioned a few words earlier and develop and put in the position to succeed
Development can still get them to a middle glue guy
That's where I disagree with posters where they say, just play the kids. Not in chaos. And have they played well enough in the lower ranks to not have to return. Not a big yo yo up and down guy myself when it comes to prospects.
Rags went with the big board and ultimately, combo of coaching and just playing them didn't work for them.
If you believe he has offensive upside (like 35-45 point ability) he probably needs to play in an environment where that is encouraged and not afraid to make a mistake. Get that confidence to do it and then move up. Not sure he’d figure that out if he ends up starting in the nhl next season.
He needs at least half a season in the A where we throw him on PP1 and primary offense usage
I almost forget why I came into this thread but it was to say that PLD is kind of a POS. Good player, probably overpaid but he's just a POS person.
Just an unnecessary cheap shot on a player when it wasn't his fault.
Just an unnecessary cheap shot on a player when it wasn't his fault.
He's a great kid too. Friend of a friend and everyone has excellent things to say about him.
Got to say I can't see that comparison but I wanted Nick Paul out of Ottawa. I find those types are just not popping up as much as they used to.
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