Around the League Thread | November Rain
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Can’t feel for Sid since he made the decision to extend with Pitt. This is very likely what the remainder of his contract is going to be like in Pitt. Could have asked Pitt to trade him if he wanted to. Decided to extend instead.
They could still move him. A retained Sid would get them a decent haul.
Rebuilds are much more complicated than what has been talked about here. You do need luck for both a strong draft when bottoming out, as well as pick luck, but when your core ages out, it is still the best way to go. What is actually hard about them is coming out of them, you need good pro scouting, and the ability to bring in the right kinds of vets. That is where benning constantly failed… sure he had some bad draft picks… and he absolutely should have had more draft capital, but his failings were targeting bad on the pro side, was it assets on gudbranson, or the other countless bad players he brought in. The hardest part of a rebuild is bringing in the right pro guys.
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Ottawa definitely has more with Stutzle and (potentially) Sanderson on top of Tkachuk. They've just been terrible at finding a competent coach (lol Green) and filling out their roster with quality depth pieces. The Canucks built a quality third line this year for under 6 million dollars with just pending free agents - other team's really don't have great excuses when they've had a long time to fix it.
Buffalo is just a huge, colossal failure all around given how high they've drafted for so many years now. They've had a multitude of high quality guys there that they've dealt due to mismanagement/poor culture arising from a bevvy of issues. If management had done its job properly, the core that was drafted from 2014-2018 would easily be contending by now.
Detroit I'll definitely give to you - they've had terrible luck in the lottery, and unlike Vancouver weren't able to unearth any gems from it. Passing on Quinn Hughes is going to haunt them for a long time.
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Tim Stutzle, I forgot about him. If we use Pittsburgh and Chicago as models for successfully re-building then we should consider the full context of why those rebuilds worked. Pittsburgh drafted Crosby and Malkin, yes. But before then, they also drafted Brooks Orpik and Marc Andre Fleury as pillars on their backend. Similarly, Toews and Kane were supported by Seabrook and Keith. Sanderson in Ottawa doesn't look like he can absorb all of the all-purpose minutes he needs to and, granted, Travis Green isn't helping matters.
Buffalo, imo, is in a similar position to Detroit. Lots of high draft picks without top of the line up players to show for it, especially at forward. Too many second liners, not enough of the type to drive the bus.
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More than complicated, they're simply random to some extent. If the Red Wings had hit on a couple more 2nd rounders and drafted Hughes instead of Zadina they'd probably be a top-10 team comfortably even with Yzerman's poor pro scouting.
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Most of the damage done in the years Detroit dropped were from not picking the right guy who was still available. Their scouting (both pro and amateur) has been horrible.
in 2017 they fell 2 spots and ended up with Rasmussen. Liam Andersson and Mittlestadt went 7th and 8th, so no damage done. Necas, Vilardi and Suzuki were still on the board here.
in 2018 they fell from 5th (Hayton) to 6th. Hayton is at least still an NHL player....but would not have changed the teams fortunes. Hughes was still on the board. bows down to hockey gods....
In 2019 they fell from 4th (Byram) to 6th (Seider). Alex Turcotte was taken 5th, so they ended up better off for dropping IMO. Boldy was still on the board here, but i think they nailed this pick and falling probably helped them.
2020 they fell from 1st to 4th. Unless they had Stutzle 1st OA on their list (which would have been massively off board at the time), this isn't a loss IMO. Lafreniere only broke out halfway through his 4th season and it wasn't until they put him on a line with Panarin that it happened. Again, nobody other than Yzerman himself really knows who they'd have picked at 1 in 2020 and it's still maybe too early to make this call, but other than 2012, this was probably the worst 1st OA pick made in the last 20 years.
Those extra picks that teams get by selling their better players, are typically in the 20's for a 1st and 50's for a 2nd.
Ana got 4 extra 1sts and 3 extra 2nds during their 6 years of missing the PO.
2019 - for taking on Backes took Tracey who they traded away as he was not developing well
2020 - for trading Montour, took Perreault who is now with the Habs organization
2022 - for trading Lindholm, took Gaucher (3C type, best comp is Rasmussen in Det)
2024 - for trading Henrique, traded up to take that Stolberg the physical Dman.
Nothing coming back from those deals is a sure bet.
Yzerman, sent out Mantha and got a 1st back and took Cossa the goalie. Sent AA for 2 seconds. Bertuzzi for a 1st, which was later dealt to Ott for DCat. Sent Hronek for a ASP and a second.
Without that DCat deal, none of those picks is in the NHL right now and Yzerman is in year 6 with Detroit.
Complicated, lucky, call it what you want to call it, but pro scouting is still the key to get out from it.
Since the OT Thread is still locked...
This week on Fanatics is an embarrassment of a company: they put Texas Rangers players' signatures on the back of the Dodgers world series champions shirts
Edit: not just Rangers, players from multiple different teams
This week on Fanatics is an embarrassment of a company: they put Texas Rangers players' signatures on the back of the Dodgers world series champions shirts
Edit: not just Rangers, players from multiple different teams
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VanillaCoke
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Didn't even realize it was still locked. Fixed!
Tampering
- Bill Daly refreshed GMs on the tampering rules
- Daly was “a little uncomfortable” with some of the information coming from the media heading into last season’s free agency period
- Got the impression that there were negotiations before July 1st
- GMs want to see UFA term limited to 5 years; League doesn’t view it as top-priority issue
Coaching Challenge
- NHL wants GMs feedback on the decision making process of coaches challenge
- Longer, shorter, more challenges, less, etc.
Buffalo Sabres
- Consultant for NHL Hockey Operations
- Was talking to some teams about taking an advisor role
- Has always been involved with rule changes
- “Brain child” of 3v3 OT
- A bunch of NHL executives were promoted with new titles
- Bettman is 72 and Campbell is 71
- Senior leadership has been consistent but some owners are starting to ask what is the succession plan
- Neither Bettman nor Campbell have plans to retire
- Monday was embarrassing
- No firesale
- Dubas has told other GMs he’s “open for business”
- No sense of panic
VanillaCoke
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Jack Hughes goal & 300th point, would be impressive but the better Hughes has more assists than that.
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Hoping Allvin and Rutherford jump on Marcus Pettersson quick. Hed be transformative for our d corp
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mossey3535
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I understand trying to keep the Pens window open but Malkin was a zombie out there last season. Time might have actually caught up to Letang finally, and Karlsson is in one of his enigma phases. Even before Jarry imploded they didn't have a lot to build on IMO if you actually looked at the team on the ice rather than on paper.
Sullivan is also a huge problem, he's been great but he's past his expiry date with the team like any coach. And his style doesn't fit their slow personnel.
Sullivan is also a huge problem, he's been great but he's past his expiry date with the team like any coach. And his style doesn't fit their slow personnel.
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Shesterkin rejected an 8 year 88 million dollar deal...
He has looked like total ass the past 2 games.
Meanwhile Swayman is rocking a sub .895SV % this season.
He has looked like total ass the past 2 games.
Meanwhile Swayman is rocking a sub .895SV % this season.
It’s very dumb that the league wants to expand again when there’s at least 4 teams that should be relegated right now.
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Tranquil waters sale
Swayman has never been the sole starter, that contract was a gamble. I think eventually he'll live up to it but it's going to take 2-3 seasons. Same thing with Ullmark IMO.
