Around the League Thread | New Year, New Me

[ManVanFan]

Have to say, I don't know what your point is with the last few posts. I don't think anyone can reasonably expect to create an evaluation system that catches outliers. I don't see any claim being made that they don't exist, but properly developed grading system will be proven to correctly place, within a scale, most players. There's no way it will be close to 100% accurate, which is what it SEEMS like you're arguing for?

Honestly it's confusing.

The online scouting community has a real bias. It's a personal preference thing. Obviously a model does not. At no point have I ever said models are 100% accurate. Not even close. I usually word in things like "that will change" when referring to things the model will say. Who watches 10000 kids play hockey every year. No one. A model can give someone easy reference to how 10000 players are performing.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

Miller dogged it after us fans supported him for years when he was getting dogged by the media. Now after a good playoff run, he comes into this year like a whipped mofo playing like he doesn’t care.

If this man child would’ve cooled his shit and actually cared instead of being a lazy bozo, then i get it.

But since he ain’t here no more, that guy can bully several Rangers players to the point they question their playing career.

It's only bullying if you're a sissy, other wise it's being a good teammate

 

[EpochLink]

It's only bullying if you're a sissy

Well he can bully the high priced Rangers, starting off with their high priced goaltender who seems to have become shit after being paid.

 

[Bobby9]

4 posts about Millers wife in the last 24 hours.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Miller scored twice while the team gets rekt

Seems pretty familiar

 

[quat]

The online scouting community has a real bias. It's a personal preference thing. Obviously a model does not. At no point have I ever said models are 100% accurate. Not even close. I usually word in things like "that will change" when referring to things the model will say. Who watches 10000 kids play hockey every year. No one. A model can give someone easy reference to how 10000 players are performing.

OK, thanks. Then how is that any different than what MS posted? He clearly stated it wasn't a certainty that a lower rated player couldn't exceed the ranking, only that the probability was lower.

The ranking system that has Willander higher, would on aggregate, be more accurate.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

Well he can bully the high priced Rangers, starting off with their high priced goaltender who seems to have become shit after being paid.

Okay lol. Like I said, sounds like pettersson. Also Mika who rangers fans wanna get rid of

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4 posts about Millers wife in the last 24 hours.

Fine I'll edit my post. This guy is just like lurking in the basement vibes

 

[ManVanFan]

You can't see the difference between 'scouting players is difficult' and 'if your model produces a result that a top-10 pick is worse than a 3rd rounder, you might have a problem'?

If you don't like what the models says, scroll past. Don't comment. I don't care what you think of the model. I'd tell you that you have might have a problem with your analysis of players but I generally just scroll past.

 

[Bobby9]

Okay lol. Like I said, sounds like pettersson. Also Mika who rangers fans wanna get rid of

Can you edit your post. Uncalled for.

 

[Curm]

The Rangers are awful, that 1st round pick is looking like gold for the Pens next year.

 

[vz21]

If you don't like what the models says, scroll past. Don't comment. I don't care what you think of the model. I'd tell you that you have might have a problem with your analysis of players but I generally just scroll past.

If you don't like what MS says, scroll past.

 

[EpochLink]

Alex Lafrenière is another player that has dogged it since signing his new contract.

Guy was on a heater earlier in the season but has became sorta ass.

 

[ManVanFan]

OK, thanks. Then how is that any different than what MS posted? He clearly stated it wasn't a certainty that a lower rated player couldn't exceed the ranking, only that the probability was lower.

The ranking system that has Willander higher, would on aggregate, be more accurate.

Why exactly would it be more accurate? Are players drafted and become exactly what they are projected to be every time?

If you don't like what MS says, scroll past.

It's just gonna have to happen.

The Rangers are awful, that 1st round pick is looking like gold for the Pens next year.

Unprotected first in 2026 could be real nice. If it's god damn Ottawa Senators nice.

 

[Icebreakers]

We should have traded our first rounder instead of NYR.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Delete

 

[ManVanFan]

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When someone chimes in to have the same conversation for a 3rd time and no I wasn't talking to him, I was having a conversation with someone else.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

That’s incorrect. UFA was 31 pre-2005. It dropped from 31 to 27 as part of the post 2005 lockout CBA.

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There isn’t any real comparison to be drawn to the 1990s because now there is (1) a salary cap, (2) an individual player cap, (3) revenue sharing, and (4) a limit that 57% of revenue goes toward player salaries through the escrow system.

NY can’t spend 3-4x as much as another team like they did in the 90s, or pay McDavid the equivalent of $20 million per year like they could have done in the 90s. And because of revenue sharing the Canadian teams aren’t going generally going to face the same financial issues they did in the 90s, especially since the league won’t be spending 75% of revenue on salaries (as the league claimed at the time) like they were back then.

I think on balance a significant further reduction in the UFA age would benefit the premier destinations in the league who would have more opportunities to buy players, but to a limited extent because they would always be limited by the cap and the need to sign other players to fill out their roster and we’ve seen that players rarely take big discounts. But if anything I think the primary disparity it would create is magnifying the tax advantage benefit teams in low tax jurisdictions have.

Yeah that's my bad, I was thinking that raising UFA age was a point of contention with the 2005 CBA.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

When someone chimes in to have the same conversation for a 3rd time and no I wasn't talking to him, I was having a conversation with someone else.

I know I was talking about the poster with 7 posts in almost 3 years.

 

[Quinton Byfield]

I know I was talking about the poster with 7 posts in almost 3 years.

Prob an alt of some kind

 

[ManVanFan]

I know I was talking about the poster with 7 posts in almost 3 years.

I don't know how you noticed that. I don't know the guys that well in here yet. We are all just Canucks fans in the end.

 

[EpochLink]

I know I was talking about the poster with 7 posts in almost 3 years.

lol who was that

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

lol who was that

I replied above to the person I don’t think the mods would appreciate me calling the person out. But if you scroll above it’s pretty clear who it is.

 

[EpochLink]

I replied above to the person I don’t think the mods would appreciate me calling the person out. But if you scroll above it’s pretty clear who it is.

Oh got it, I saw

 

[andora]

Kris Letang was an"undersized" 3rd round pick that was getting lots of PP in the QMJHL. That has been a star and has many Stanley cups. Was anyone predicting that in the scouting world when they drafted him in the 3rd? Which scout do you think had Gustav Forsling in the 5th round playing top pair and winning a Stanley cup as an undersized defencemen? The scouting community that drafted him in the 5th round.

Why do you think NHL organization's use analytics?

I haven't looked yet but if it explains what actually goes into the model could we plug letang on and see what it says

Or plug in a bunch of oldies and reverse check

 

[ManVanFan]

I haven't looked yet but if it explains what actually goes into the model could we plug letang on and see what it says

Or plug in a bunch of oldies and reverse check

Letang was not a stellar Jr player and had a 8% 7% 10% 12% star potential in draft year to draft plus 3 year. His NHL (200 games) odds went from 28% 34% 54% 81%. He spent his draft plus 3 year in the NHL. The model most likely would have had him around a late 1st round pick. The models are always tougher on defencemen though.

He has his own rankings that are weighted 80% scouting from Bob, EP, Button, Daily face-off, hockey news and sports net and 20% from his model. Schaefer is rated 4th in it. We all know that isn't going to happen. The model ranks him 24th. Drafting D is hard and honestly the model shows that. There are misses. Knowing what a fwd will turn into is much easier. So if you use logic you can sift through the data and by using scouting, watching players play. Which I've never said you can just look at data and not scout.