Around the League Thread | New Year, New Me

[andora]

Still doesn’t change the fact the players most likely won’t vote for it.

Better for some.. worse for some neutral for some. Again.. its interesting.

As a fan i would love it

 

[Nuckles]

Vegas preparing for their next LTIR abuse before the deadline

Update: Alex Pietrangelo will be withdrawing from the 2025 4Nations Face-Off to tend to an ailment and prepare for the remainder of the regular season with Vegas.

 

[arttk]

Better for some.. worse for some neutral for some. Again.. its interesting.

As a fan i would love it

Still think it will be worse for 2nd line to 4th line guys.
I would like to see them extend ELC to 4 years, increase the wage and bonus structure to make the extra year more tenable and make it UFA after ELC. Oh and then you’ll make it 5 year cap and 6 if it’s the team that holds ELC rights. Then you’ll see a f*** ton of player movement.

 

[andora]

Still think it will be worse for 2nd line to 4th line guys.
I would like to see them extend ELC to 4 years, increase the wage and bonus structure to make the extra year more tenable and make it UFA after ELC. Oh and then you’ll make it 5 year cap and 6 if it’s the team that holds ELC rights. Then you’ll see a f*** ton of player movement.

Elc then ufa.. maybe a bit too far on the other side but intriguing.. but yeah tanking and hoarding might not be that appealing anymore for shit destinations

 

[arttk]

Elc then ufa.. maybe a bit too far on the other side but intriguing.. but yeah tanking and hoarding might not be that appealing anymore for shit destinations

I mean think about it, the concept of RFA is just wild. i think if it’s ELC -> UFA, you’ll see less GMs f*** around with brining kids in at like 18/19 because you don’t want the ELC to kick in until the kid is really ready and that should reduce all those cases of horrible development.

 

[andora]

I mean think about it, the concept of RFA is just wild. i think if it’s ELC -> UFA, you’ll see less GMs f*** around with brining kids in at like 18/19 because you don’t want the ELC to kick in until the kid is really ready and that should reduce all those cases of horrible development.

Yep thats a good point

 

[supercanuck]

Vegas preparing for their next LTIR abuse before the deadline

Update: Alex Pietrangelo will be withdrawing from the 2025 4Nations Face-Off to tend to an ailment and prepare for the remainder of the regular season with Vegas.

First of many players to drop out of pointless tournament?

 

[Dirtyclapper]

Jets are destroying Calgary right now, still only a couple points out.

 

[Ernie]

First of many players to drop out of pointless tournament?

One can hope. I can imagine this tournament was pretty underwhelming for him after he won gold at the 2014 Olympics and was not guaranteed to be in the lineup at the 4 Nations tournament.

 

[MS]

Going from ELC to UFA would basically instantly fold 4 Canadian teams and mean the Vancouver Canucks would never have a chance of winning anything.

Hughes and Pettersson both would have been straight out the door in 2021.

 

[ahmon]

losing Pietrangelo hurts Canada a lot, excellent defenseman

 

[arttk]

Going from ELC to UFA would basically instantly fold 4 Canadian teams and mean the Vancouver Canucks would never have a chance of winning anything.

Hughes and Pettersson both would have been straight out the door in 2021.

I mean Winnipeg yes. Vancouver under non Benning management would be fine.

 

[RandV]

Are you sure it would just pile up like that. It would atleast make the market more up to date.

The things that go into new deals like cap %, 5on5 point production, comparables etc.. for fprwards would still be there. I dont know if it just means automatically cap% on new deals just skyrocket

Its interesting though

I think you don't really know until the rule's implemented and you see how it plays out. What I like to point out on this topic is fans tend to look at their own teams and think if they didn't have those extended anchor contracts then their teams could better utilize cap space and be better. But apply that to 32 teams, and with cost certainty making revenue an even 50/50 split, and consider there really isn't additional talent out there being blocked out of the league due to cap constraints. It's not the best analogy as nothing's actually sinking, but 'fixing' anything is kind of just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.

I'd also add for the quality of players that tend to earn 8 year contracts, the latter end of their career where they're being overpaid for their services is probably balanced the first few years early in their careers starting with the ELC where they can be majorly underpaid.

 

[supercanuck]

Calgary lost to Winnipeg keeping them within reach for now.

 

[Bobby9]

The players should not have guaranteed contracts. It’s ridiculous. Very few earn their paycheques for their entire contract.

It should be a blended contract minimum. The first 50% of thecontract is guaranteed. The back 50% can be terminated.

 

[wavaxa2]

I just noticed that DeAngelo played 25 minutes in his debut with the Islanders. Maybe he is Roy's kind of player...?

 

[arttk]

I think you don't really know until the rule's implemented and you see how it plays out. What I like to point out on this topic is fans tend to look at their own teams and think if they didn't have those extended anchor contracts then their teams could better utilize cap space and be better. But apply that to 32 teams, and with cost certainty making revenue an even 50/50 split, and consider there really isn't additional talent out there being blocked out of the league due to cap constraints. It's not the best analogy as nothing's actually sinking, but 'fixing' anything is kind of just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.

I'd also add for the quality of players that tend to earn 8 year contracts, the latter end of their career where they're being overpaid for their services is probably balanced the first few years early in their careers starting with the ELC where they can be majorly underpaid.

I mean lower UFA could lead to more trades, just look at the NBA. Also having more trades is good because it drives discussion and coverage can theoretically pull non fans in. “Oh the <local team> apparently pulled off a crazy ass trade, I wonder what the deal is”.

 

[vz21]

The players should not have guaranteed contracts. It’s ridiculous. Very few earn their paycheques for their entire contract.

It should be a blended contract minimum. The first 50% of thecontract is guaranteed. The back 50% can be terminated.

Should players also have the right to terminate their contracts then?

 

[ExarKun80]

The players should not have guaranteed contracts. It’s ridiculous. Very few earn their paycheques for their entire contract.

It should be a blended contract minimum. The first 50% of thecontract is guaranteed. The back 50% can be terminated.

I think this is mostly due to the fact that hockey is a very dangerous sport . You can get all kinds of injuries all the time that will allow you to keep playing while really diminishing your ability. Players feel that if they earned a contract they have to keep getting paid like that. The problem to me is the length and the fact that you can't renegociate the contract like in football. I'm talking about real football and not american football. The renogociation has pros and cons since you'd have to decrease/increase the salary.

 

[me2]

Still doesn’t change the fact the players most likely won’t vote for it.

How many players get 7 or 8 years? A handful of stars, the rest might be more pliable.

 

[Coffee]

 

[F A N]

Going from ELC to UFA would basically instantly fold 4 Canadian teams and mean the Vancouver Canucks would never have a chance of winning anything.

I don't think that is the case. There are only so many cap dollars to go around. Plus we've had some high end players coming out of BC recently and we'll more likely to be European focused rather than American focused if that comes to pass.

 

[MS]

I don't think that is the case. There are only so many cap dollars to go around. Plus we've had some high end players coming out of BC recently and we'll more likely to be European focused rather than American focused if that comes to pass.

I feel like it's incredibly naive to think the existing competitive imbalance favouring warm weather/big market US teams wouldn't get substantially worse if the league opened it up to make it far easier for top players to walk their way into those markets.

We would survive, but we'd be at a big competitive disadvantage. Winnipeg/Ottawa/Calgary/Edmonton would all be forced to move within 5 years. Edmonton would be funny, but I kind of like having those other teams in the league.

It would also basically completely destroy the concept of the draft and developing talent. Like, what would be the point of spending 2-3 years developing a prospect in the AHL basically just to walk him to UFA?

 

[andora]

I feel like it's incredibly naive to think the existing competitive imbalance favouring warm weather/big market US teams wouldn't get substantially worse if the league opened it up to make it far easier for top players to walk their way into those markets.

We would survive, but we'd be at a big competitive disadvantage. Winnipeg/Ottawa/Calgary/Edmonton would all be forced to move within 5 years. Edmonton would be funny, but I kind of like having those other teams in the league.

It would also basically completely destroy the concept of the draft and developing talent. Like, what would be the point of spending 2-3 years developing a prospect in the AHL basically just to walk him to UFA?

I can see what you're saying and would tend to agree but with only so much money to go around how would you see it kind of evening out over time assuming of course the players still take as much as they can money wise

 

[MS]

I can see what you're saying and would tend to agree but with only so much money to go around how would you see it kind of evening out over time assuming of course the players still take as much as they can money wise

There's only so much money to go around now and there's very obviously a competitive advantage for the NY/LA/sunbelt teams. But it's not enough that there isn't still a reasonable level of parity and a well-run small market team can't succeed.

Walking top players to UFA at age 21-22 would basically blow up the NHL as we know it. And we wouldn't be one of the teams that benefit from it.