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Who doesn't want an injured #6 defenseman over 30 years old with a 2.5 million cap hit?what do they have to gain from getting poolman? they'd just be acquiring dead salary.
Who doesn't want an injured #6 defenseman over 30 years old with a 2.5 million cap hit?what do they have to gain from getting poolman? they'd just be acquiring dead salary.
Kane being on LTIR helps them, as they can go over the cap by the equivalent of his salary. Poolman would add to that LTIR number, making the logistics of matching both offer sheets less complicated.what do they have to gain from getting poolman? they'd just be acquiring dead salary.
Is it worth the Canucks’ while to trade Tucker Poolman’s contract this summer?Here, the Canucks would have to be smart and target very specific teams. Namely, those teams that are already guaranteed to use LTIR relief space and thus be “in LTIR” all season long. Those teams can add Poolman to their effective relief pool with no real consequences – he’d arrive providing $2.5 million in relief space, covering his entire cap hit and thus not affecting the books one iota.
Does Alvin look into whether Edmonton would now be interested in acquiring Poolman?
it still doesn't change their current cap situation though so they would be just doing us a favour because they already have to use LTIR?Kane being on LTIR helps them, as they can go over the cap by the equivalent of his salary. Poolman would add to that LTIR number, making the logistics of matching both offer sheets less complicated.
The general idea has been discussed pretty thoroughly: Poolman might be tradable to teams who have cap issues and who can use that LTIR money.
In addition to the discussion here, there's been coverage in the media. Canucks Army did a piece a while ago:
Is it worth the Canucks’ while to trade Tucker Poolman’s contract this summer?
It would add to the cap relief they manage through LTIR. If a team is only into LTIR by a few dollars, that's all the relief they get. If they're in for ten million, they can sign players up to that value.it still doesn't change their current cap situation though so they would be just doing us a favour because they already have to use LTIR?
I'm not sure why they would help a rival be able to accrue cap space by the deadline?
No all it would do is make them instead of 7 million over 9.5 million over.It would add to the cap relief they manage through LTIR. If a team is only into LTIR by a few dollars, that's all the relief they get. If they're in for ten million, they can sign players up to that value.
As the Canucks Army piece explains, adding Poolman would add 2.5 million to the amount of relief the team acquiring him could use.
I believe that you're wrong, and it works as the Canucks Army piece explains:No all it would do is make them instead of 7 million over 9.5 million over.
LTIR only helps them IF Poolman was already part of their roster and couldn't play so they could use his space to replace him by going over by his contract AAV.
You don't add cap space?
Those teams can add Poolman to their effective relief pool with no real consequences – he’d arrive providing $2.5 million in relief space, covering his entire cap hit and thus not affecting the books one iota.
That’s saying it’s net neutral - the $2.5 million in extra LTIR space is used up by the $2.5 million from Poolman’s salary. The Oilers would be no worse off from a cap perspective but they wouldn’t benefit.I believe that you're wrong, and it works as the Canucks Army piece explains:
It doesn't make a difference what roster the player was on when he was injured.
If the Oilers acquired Poolman, his 2.5 million would be added to the relief they'd get with Kane's contract, and that would make it easier for them to keep both guys that signed offer sheets.
I believe that you're wrong, and it works as the Canucks Army piece explains:
It doesn't make a difference what roster the player was on when he was injured.
If the Oilers acquired Poolman, his 2.5 million would be added to the relief they'd get with Kane's contract, and that would make it easier for them to keep both guys that signed offer sheets.
I believe @Sting and Canucks Army are correct.I believe that you're wrong, and it works as the Canucks Army piece explains:
It doesn't make a difference what roster the player was on when he was injured.
If the Oilers acquired Poolman, his 2.5 million would be added to the relief they'd get with Kane's contract, and that would make it easier for them to keep both guys that signed offer sheets.
If i'm the GM i match those deals and move out some of the fossils.
Ceci with a pick attached is worth it. He's no longer an option beside Nurse which makes him a 3rd pair D and could be replaced by Stecher and Brown for the season (till deadline) with little consequence. With 1 yr remaining it should be palatable for many a teams who may want to try and turn him into another asset at the deadline as a playoff depth D.
Broberg actually looks like a top4 D to me so even if it jumps the shark in terms or AAV short term and is a kick in the nuts. Really boils down to do you believe he will be a top4 D at some point.....if not let him go....if yes sign and move out Ceci.
Holloway is a tougher one due to his production to date but if the playoffs are any indication he is an important player for them going forward. Losing a 3rd young fast forward with size and ability to drive possession up ice for yet another fossil is laughable at this stage given McDrai needs more support not less with getting pucks from A to B and within the forecheck.
As a Nucks fan i hope they let them walk and then PTO Toews and sign DeAngelo and complete the most Dueshy team of all time cycle they are willing to go down. Only thing better would be getting busted for LTIRing Kane and punished by the league at that stage and getting pumped out in the 1st round.
Highly entertaining and a great move from Armstrong. STL aside it helps us as we already have better prime aged depth than the Oil and whatever route they go they just got thinner and older by prioritizing Perry Henrique Skinner and Arvidsson over Foegele Mcloed and possibly Broberg and Holloway. Should have got their house in order will be interesting to see how this falls.
This should be of little concern.Using Kane's LTIR and waiving some guys to match is a pretty dangerous strategy. It puts you in the position to basically have to move salary to be compliant and possibly running a short-handed roster. Other GMs will rake you over the coals to move dollars if you put yourself in that position, and the Oilers are already short draft picks and prospects.
Kulak and Ceci do not carry enough value to actually be moved for a reasonable price in that scenario, they basically become forced salary dumps that will require substantial add-ons to move since other teams know you have basically no choice.
The Oilers could do it, but they'd essentially be completely gutting their future pool to compete over the next two years.
I think that's incorrect. It's not a wash. "added to the books" means they have to pay the money (though it may be insured), but doing so doesn't hurt their cap position. It helps it.I believe @Sting and Canucks Army are correct.
It the Oilers acquired Poolman, "it would not affect the books one iota". Yes.
Poolman's $2.5M cap hit would get added to the Oilers books, but they also get $2.5M more in LTIR relief. It's a wash.
Those teams can add Poolman to their effective relief pool with no real consequences – he’d arrive providing $2.5 million in relief space, covering his entire cap hit and thus not affecting the books one iota.
Though it would benefit their rival (us) which goes to the heart of Gordon Sumner's sarcasm main point (Oilers aren't go to be doing us any favors if it doesn't benefit them).That’s saying it’s net neutral - the $2.5 million in extra LTIR space is used up by the $2.5 million from Poolman’s salary. The Oilers would be no worse off from a cap perspective but they wouldn’t benefit.
I think I've figured it out (see my addition to my post above (or not)).@Lindgren it really doesn't do anything to help them. How do you get more relief when Poolman has to be accounted for? Read what @Deeds26 said. They would only be doing us a favor given Poolman is not already a Oiler and was accounted for under the Cap ceiling at some point here so we were able to back fill his salary into our AAV due to LTIR
no it wouldn'tIt would add to the cap relief they manage through LTIR.
Is there a historical list somewhere of offer sheets? Seems like St Louis has been involved more often than not.
This should be of little concern.
The singular goal should be the next 1-3yrs. Look at how old that team is.
It really boils down to can Holloway and Broberg if they were UFAs be worth close to those contracts with a little consideration for the fact that Ceci with Nurse is an absolute NO GO and the forward group has already become older and more inury prone due to some signings that they thought they could finesse with a push from Holloway and Savoie.
If i'm a believer in Holloway as a 30-35pt top9 player and Broberg as at least a #5 who can be used as a top4 while he grows into a legit top4 and he helps settle the Nurse pairing it's a no brainer. They both fit the back end of the competitive cycle which is what you want
Ceci wont be that expensive because he has 1yr and teams as much as they will want to squeeze the Oilers will want the 2nd round pick and deadline pick they likely get. It wont get to 1st round territory and the Oilers shouldn't give 2 Fs about a 2026 2nd round pick
We'll see, the proof will be in the pudding when the situation resolves, mainly if they let Broberg walk and take the comp. I think you're underestimating the risk (not just near-term, but over the next two years) for the Oilers to swallow these contracts. I wouldn't honestly be surprised either way, but there's reason the Blues waited until the Oilers final buy-out window lapsed and structured the offers that way. It is a tough decision for Edmonton either way, and will cause them pain regardless. They could just try to waive Ceci, but I'm not sure the likelihood they do that, or that he's claimed.
They were obviously trying to nickel-and-dime the two players and work around with Kane's LTIR over the short term, so these contracts are substantially above what they planned on paying.
I think Ceci would be claimed on waivers quite easily. I also think it's probably more sensible to simply let Broberg go to St Louis.If I am the Oilers I trade Ceci to a team. Obviously, you would have to attach a pick and or prospect.
This is likely their last chance to win it.