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That would be the main risk of a team willing to claim him if he was waived. Does he have the desire to help a bad team in the "intangible" department or would he check out mentally because he's not on a good team like he's been on for most of his career in NYR.

I mentioned this before, I don't believe Kreider can be waived. He has a combination of NMC and limited NTC meaning he can be traded to one of the teams not on his 15 team no trade list but he cannot be waived without his permission.
 

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I mentioned this before, I don't believe Kreider can be waived. He has a combination of NMC and limited NTC meaning he can be traded to one of the teams not on his 15 team no trade list but he cannot be waived without his permission.
Another 15-20 games like this, and the Rangers will be 'blowing it up'. So a lot more guys than just Kreider will be on the block.

Problem is, they all make so much damn money. It's hard to see how the Canucks could ever fit a lot of these guys under their cap.

Youngish veterans like Filip Chytil, Alexis Lafreniere or K'Andre Miller would look great in a Canuck uniform......but just can't see the Rangers ever giving up on those guys. Vincent Trocheck might help the Canucks down the middle......but he's already 31 and signed for $5.625m into the next century.
 

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Old guys got old and young guys are too young.

Kraken interest has severely tanked this season. Kinda sad.
Kraken know that they need to get going before the NBA Sonics return. Need to build up that brand loyalty. Vegas Knight have that now and should be ok when the NBA expands there.
 
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Bojack Horvatman

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Seattle lacks top end talent. Wright and Beniers have disappointed relative to draft position. I do like Beniers though, even if his production at even strength has been middling, and power play production has been absolutely dreadful. Has good defensive numbers at ES are good though. Especially considering he plays for a bad team. He’s probably tracking more as a 2way 2c than a 1c.
 

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Seattle lacks top end talent. Wright and Beniers have disappointed relative to draft position. I do like Beniers though, even if his production at even strength has been middling, and power play production has been absolutely dreadful. Has good defensive numbers at ES are good though. Especially considering he plays for a bad team. He’s probably tracking more as a 2way 2c than a 1c.
Just the way the draft lands. 2021 wasn't a great year. I mean, Beniers and MacTavish were #2 and #3. Didn't have the Offensive upside of a Fantilli/Carlsson for example in 23 draft.

Only so many top end talents, and now so many teams are bad (Chi, SJ) or haven't been able to turn the corner (Ana, Det, Buf). Only 1 or 2 clubs get a top level player in the draft.
 
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Thought Prime did a good job. Unlike local broadcasts when they have things like Murphy putting you to sleep with his monotone pre camp talk or playing the anthems to kill time, they kept things moving. Visually the production was super. Be hard to go back to the old 20th Century type clarity. One drawback was you couldn't record and then fast forward the commercials and intermissions. Also couldn't look back over plays although I thought they did a good job on the their replays. Lots of good detail.

I remember Rogers securing that TV deal last decade and knowing it was the end of an era. The golden age of sports broadcasting was the 90s and 2000s. So many fun segments and interactive broadcasts. National TV was always Toronto-centric but SN and TSN did well in their local broadcast coverage.

f***ing Rogers took the cookie cutter approach. Let go of many media personalities and cheaped out on the production.

Yesterday felt like a much needed throwback.
 

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Kind of funny because the SJS rebuild wasn't going anywhere until in almost one fell swoop they land Celebrini/Dickinson/Askarov and every single one of those pieces landing in their lap had a lot of luck around it. Full credit to Grier for the latter two because he had to be proactive and make moves to get them but still super lucky.
 

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Kind of funny because the SJS rebuild wasn't going anywhere until in almost one fell swoop they land Celebrini/Dickinson/Askarov and every single one of those pieces landing in their lap had a lot of luck around it. Full credit to Grier for the latter two because he had to be proactive and make moves to get them but still super lucky.
San Jose is the team that's stunned me, but in a good way. You watch that team last night, and they're clearly on their way.

They've got some great talent up front; and their blueline is coming along. Both Liljegren and Walman look serviceable. And Sam Dickinson looks like money in the bank. It's certainly more mobile than the collection of lumbering depth d-men the Canucks can trot out there.

And Askarov could morph into a Bobrovsky or a Shesterkin......probably not, but he's a goalie with a lot of talent whom the Preds may have given up on, too early.

So after a couple of totally dismal seasons, the Sharks look like they've got the pieces to make a move. Certainly they're far further ahead than their bottom-feeding cousins, the Blackhawks.
 

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Kind of funny because the SJS rebuild wasn't going anywhere until in almost one fell swoop they land Celebrini/Dickinson/Askarov and every single one of those pieces landing in their lap had a lot of luck around it. Full credit to Grier for the latter two because he had to be proactive and make moves to get them but still super lucky.
I've said it many times, but in addition to execution successful rebuilds basically require one or two strokes of luck. If Detroit had drafted Hughes instead of Zadina they'd likely be a very good team this year.
 

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Kind of funny because the SJS rebuild wasn't going anywhere until in almost one fell swoop they land Celebrini/Dickinson/Askarov and every single one of those pieces landing in their lap had a lot of luck around it. Full credit to Grier for the latter two because he had to be proactive and make moves to get them but still super lucky.

Grier also targeted smart UFA signings and nailed some key reclamation projects. He’s done well in bringing in a pretty decent supporting cast even if the results aren’t there.
 

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Kind of funny because the SJS rebuild wasn't going anywhere until in almost one fell swoop they land Celebrini/Dickinson/Askarov and every single one of those pieces landing in their lap had a lot of luck around it. Full credit to Grier for the latter two because he had to be proactive and make moves to get them but still super lucky.

It's funny to see things like this now when ~1 year ago most (including me) were skeptical they'd ever clear out their long-term cap commitments, which Grier did manage to do.

Askarov only "landed in their lap" because of the assets they got from the Hertl trade.
 
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It's funny to see things like this now when ~1 year ago most (including me) were skeptical they'd ever clear out their long-term cap commitments, which Grier did manage to do.

Askarov only "landed in their lap" because of the assets they got from the Hertl trade.
In the end it was basically Hertl for Askarov. Sent both firsts they got for him out to land him.
I can’t judge any of the rebuild GMs until they hit that point where they are expected to achieve something (ie PO). Cause like buffalo these are just a collection of players. Real test is building a team. And getting the right pieces.
Like how long can his HC messaged last if they remain a bottom 5 team? On one hand you want the better prospect but the message loses its weight if the results aren’t there to back it up. This season is fine. But can’t be like this for 2 more seasons.
 

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celebrini is the real deal. for a guy not that big, he has a physical presence that is very rare in an 18 year old skill player.

grier did an amazing job of unloading the old sharks core and has acquired some serviceable players.

the rest follows.

Eh, I don't think Grier is a great GM and SJ would be in a better spot if they had someone else.
 

krutovsdonut

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Eh, I don't think Grier is a great GM and SJ would be in a better spot if they had someone else.

i'd say he's played billy ball and got stuff done. he's made over 30 trades in less than three years. he moved all the old guard out efficiently and got reasonable returns. he's been cap-flexible, patient and opportunistic in the trade market and he's flipped multiple assets he acquired for a profit. he's also been active and successful on the waiver wire.

what he has not done is target and overpay for roster pieces, fall in love with his own acquisitions, or outwait the market on his aging vets trying to hit home runs. there is obviously some luck involved but i think he's taken a good approach and done pretty well.
 

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StreetHawk

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i'd say he's played billy ball and got stuff done. he's made over 30 trades in less than three years. he moved all the old guard out efficiently and got reasonable returns. he's been cap-flexible, patient and opportunistic in the trade market and he's flipped multiple assets he acquired for a profit. he's also been active and successful on the waiver wire.

what he has not done is target and overpay for roster pieces, fall in love with his own acquisitions, or outwait the market on his aging vets trying to hit home runs. there is obviously some luck involved but i think he's taken a good approach and done pretty well.
Grier has done what he was supposed to do. Collect assets and move off guys.
But, I don't like to judge how good a GM is until they have to acquire the pieces necessary to build a team. When you need to fix the 2C, spot, another top 4D, etc. that is when you have pressure on you to figure out that move. Right now, all of these rebuilding GMs have time on their side for the most part and just collect assets.
But, assets don't automatically form a good team. Need to still move guys in and out to find the right mix.

Grier also hired and fired a HC in Quinn after 2 seasons. So this current HC needs to last longer than that.
 

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I believe it was Marek who pointed this point a bit ago but isn’t this the 1st in season firing of a Detroit coach since the Ilitch family bought the Wings?
 

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