Around the League Thread | Holiday Season!
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Well Trotz was inexperienced yes but Poile is still available to pick his brain and he has an experienced AGM in Kealty. As for learning the cap, I don't think there's that much to learn. He should know by now that there is a cap and that needs to be managed. The intricacies can be turned over to someone else. As a coach he might favour his veteran players but he should know that players do age and can rapidly decline and in the long run he needs young players.
There's different types of experience though. In the real work there's experience managing companies, industry experience, and company experience. Former agents, players, coaches etc. all have industry experience and or company experience. At least head coaches are closer to being involved in hockey operations than former agents and players. In hockey, it's kind of rare for a head coach to take on GM duties without being a head coach at the same time. Although I guess technically Trotz went from Senior Advisor to GM. I am surprised that Kealty didn't get the GM job and is still there.
MarkusNaslund19
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I mean, if the implication is that this is just a blip. He scored like 80 or 90 before he turned twenty and his shot is a very unique weapon. A team that can utilize that shot should be able to expect a massive bump to the powerplay.
If you're suggesting he won't actually score like 6 pp goals every 7 games then that's such a banal observation that it doesn't really bear stating.
Your comment isn't directed at me, but his best season was when he was 19 when he scored 44. He has an elite shot but he's not a play driver. Between injuries and off ice issues he's been a guy who is prone to bad stretches. So ya the easy bet is that his goal scoring isn't sustainable. If he plays every single game he plays 67? games. If he plays less like 56 games I can see him scoring 26 goals.
MarkusNaslund19
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He can be a play driver to an extent and at his best he has been.
Let's not forget that his last two 'full' years he was almost a point a game on a terrible team while sorting through injury and mental health stuff.
And he did this as a winger on a team that lacked elite centers or D (since Werenski was hurt a ton) and without finding chemistry with Gaudreau (RIP).
Dictating play as a winger is the hardest position to try to impact a game from in hockey. For better and for worse.
I think he gets underrated.
But even if you believe he can't get back to that. I mean, he could basically be a slightly light version of late career (like the last 10 years lol) OV and notch 35-45 goals a year on the back of his absolute rocket of a shot.
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either accept this trade of we're going to scratch you
either accept this trade or you're going on waivers
"The NYR have traded Chris Kreider to the" ????
HelloCookie
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I wonder if players with ntc-clauses have started or will start to include rangers in the past year, given how they operate
me2
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I doubt it. New York is still New York and teams that play hard with players still sign them. They might ask for NMC though.
HelloCookie
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Does NMC prevent from waiving altogether or just from sending the player down? That'd of course protect from the goodrow and trouba treatment. I guess I just don't get why people are so keen on going to NYC even if it means they're on a very short notice if they become expendable one way or another
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Curious how a GM goes about avoiding dysfunction when your core players are en masse becoming a bunch of retirement community passengers
Not that Drury doesn't deserve some criticism. But Zibs Kreider Panarin have started to fall fast and hard and the team was largely propped by an elite GK PPQB shut down pair KAM JT that started to collapse with Trouba's game slipping. Add the above forwards becoming PP merchants that were starting to get worked 5v5 and slip late in games.
Gotta make some tough moves that flush these guys out and that's gonna ruffle some feathers.
Kakko Trouba for Borgen plus 3rd 4th 6th picks when they weren't gonna qualify Kakko and had Schneider to replace Trouba and got 11.5 million in cap is pretty decent for a team that attracts free agents
Not that Drury doesn't deserve some criticism. But Zibs Kreider Panarin have started to fall fast and hard and the team was largely propped by an elite GK PPQB shut down pair KAM JT that started to collapse with Trouba's game slipping. Add the above forwards becoming PP merchants that were starting to get worked 5v5 and slip late in games.
Gotta make some tough moves that flush these guys out and that's gonna ruffle some feathers.
Kakko Trouba for Borgen plus 3rd 4th 6th picks when they weren't gonna qualify Kakko and had Schneider to replace Trouba and got 11.5 million in cap is pretty decent for a team that attracts free agents
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me2
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I don't believe so. I could be wrong but given puckoedia supports my position I don't think so. The NO i MOVEMENT In NMC wouldn't mean much if teams could just waive players to move them.
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He had a 120 points last season. And is on pace for 100 points t again with nobody on the Rangers even close to him.
Hilarious. I remember being at rogers when we chose Juolevi over Tkachuk i was so f***ing pissed.
The worst part is that he started with "From the London Knights...." and we're all like great start! For it to be the wrong ****ing player from that team.
Mr. Canucklehead
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Interesting that guys like Krieder and Walman are being sat today.
Sending a message, or protecting assets for when the trade freeze is over?
Sending a message, or protecting assets for when the trade freeze is over?
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Not sure I would target Chris Kreider. You sort of expect players like him to rapidly fall off once they reach their 30s...
NHL cba pretty much sets it up like that where teams are buying a couple of decline years. Top Guys hit ufa typically between 28-29. So new deals end at 35-37 depending on whether they stay or leave.
Players want the protection of the guaranteed money. Assures them 2/3 the remaining salary.
Moment the production drops the team will seek any available avenue to move off them. Unless you have a nmc.
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Depends on how the NMC is worded. You can have an NMC with partial trade protection, for instance. NMCs always protect against being sent to the AHL, though.
From what has been said, sounds like agents are going to start demanding NMCs from the Rangers but will be open to partial trade protection.
sting101
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Fair enough. Yes he's back to normal production pacing after a career yea. Unfair to expect 120pts
Trocheck is on pace for 49pts from 77. That hurts so you could probably just insert his name
Kreider has 3 ES pts for 6.5 and has 2 more years.....WOW that hurts
