Around the League Thread | Holiday Season!

[SeawaterOnIce]

Would be nice to see a talented 1st overall pick only accept a 3 or 4 year deal and put a deadline on the team to improve.

The Pegula family is the worst thing to happen for the Sabres. It's no coincidence that franchise has been a dumpster fire since they took over. Rash decisions, meddling, someone like Kim being a presence in hockey ops.

That family lucked out getting a franchise QB like Josh Allen who has saved their pathetic football franchise. They were facing extreme heat in the 2010's.

 

[F A N]

The Pegula family is the worst thing to happen for the Sabres. It's no coincidence that franchise has been a dumpster fire since they took over. Rash decisions, meddling, someone like Kim being a presence in hockey ops.

That family lucked out getting a franchise QB like Josh Allen who has saved their pathetic football franchise. They were facing extreme heat in the 2010's.

It’s a double edged sword. The Sabres’ previous owner refused to spend money and couldn’t keep talent. Remember the Sabres fired a bunch of scouts and were the first team to focus on “video scouting?” The direction they were going there was a chance that the Sabres would have moved. But ya Mrs. Pegula running the Sabres…

 

[Jerry the great]

Did any of you guys see the Kevyn Adams press conference.... yeeeeeesh Buffalo is a mess.

this was pretty good.

 

[Vector]

 

[Vector]

 

[StreetHawk]

It’s a double edged sword. The Sabres’ previous owner refused to spend money and couldn’t keep talent. Remember the Sabres fired a bunch of scouts and were the first team to focus on “video scouting?” The direction they were going there was a chance that the Sabres would have moved. But ya Mrs. Pegula running the Sabres…

Well, she suffered a cardiac event and is no longer involved with the team. Pegulas have made poor executive decisions. Regier removed in 2013 before the really bad tanking. Murray from Jan/14 to Apr/17, so 2 years into the Eichel/ROR/Kane, etc era. Murray was a long time scout.
Then it was Botterill and Adams, both first timers. Botterill had about a decade in Pitt before getting the GM job while Adams had maybe a year in management before taking over the GM job.

Botterill, I get, Adams is just way too inexperienced to turnaround a club that had missed the PO like 8 years at the time he took over.

 

[MS]

Would be nice to see a talented 1st overall pick only accept a 3 or 4 year deal and put a deadline on the team to improve.

Things like this never happen because the agent is always advising the player to take the biggest total sum possible so that agent gets the biggest commission possible.

This is also why you see players like Zadorov and Stamkos leaving ideal situations where they were a great fit just so they can get a little bit more $$$.

 

[StreetHawk]

Things like this never happen because the agent is always advising the player to take the biggest total sum possible so that agent gets the biggest commission possible.

This is also why you see players like Zadorov and Stamkos leaving ideal situations where they were a great fit just so they can get a little bit more $$$.

NHL is good money, but it does pale against the other big sports.
Basketball is at its own level. Where off the bench K. Olyniak got $12.5 mill per over 4 years. Top guys coming off rookie deals are getting $200 mill deals for 4/5 years.

NFL, QB market is on its own level in the $40 mill plus range and into $50 mill.
Rest, max out at $30 mill for the Pass Rushers, O. Tackles, and WR who are elite
Then into the $20 mill plus for CB, DT
Rest in the teens for the best ones.

MLB, takes a while to get to complete free agency. So, hitters benefit while pitchers, are no longer getting the Price contracts as there is so much wear and tear on them by the time they hit free agency at around age 30.

I couldn't even begin to guess what Bedard would sign for. 61 points in 68 games last season. 21 in 28 so far this season. Would he decide to wait another year to see if he gets to a PPG pace? Or will he sign early like J. Hughes did for $8 mill and have his breakout afterwards?

 

[F A N]

Well, she suffered a cardiac event and is no longer involved with the team. Pegulas have made poor executive decisions. Regier removed in 2013 before the really bad tanking. Murray from Jan/14 to Apr/17, so 2 years into the Eichel/ROR/Kane, etc era. Murray was a long time scout.
Then it was Botterill and Adams, both first timers. Botterill had about a decade in Pitt before getting the GM job while Adams had maybe a year in management before taking over the GM job.

Botterill, I get, Adams is just way too inexperienced to turnaround a club that had missed the PO like 8 years at the time he took over.

Ya both Murray and Botterill made sense at the time but both were bad.

Things like this never happen because the agent is always advising the player to take the biggest total sum possible so that agent gets the biggest commission possible.

This is also why you see players like Zadorov and Stamkos leaving ideal situations where they were a great fit just so they can get a little bit more $$$.

That's kind of the primary job of an agent. Get the most money for the client. At the end of the day, there's nothing stopping from a player instructing his agent to simply negotiate the best deal with the team he wants. The player ultimately makes the call and as long as his agent properly advised him then that's all that matters. Like in the case of Zadorov, outside of family issues and team's competitive window doesn't match, "fit" doesn't really matter when you're talking about getting a 6 year $5M AAV deal with some no trade protection. Same with DeBrusk. If you think you're a good player and a team is making a big commitment to you in the form of a long-term $ contract you are probably thinking you'll be able to make it work.

With Stamkos, I don't blame him for not wanting to end his career on LTIR. And coming off a 40 goal 81 point season, I don't blame him for not taking Tampa's. If we offered the same with the Sedins they might have left as well. The one exception would be that if th team rolled out the red carpet for Stamkos but this is also a team that previously asked if he would be wiling to waive his NTC.

Would be nice to see a talented 1st overall pick only accept a 3 or 4 year deal and put a deadline on the team to improve.

Negotiations go both ways. A player signing a 4 year deal means he becomes a UFA at the earliest possible time. A 3 year deal is better but you can run into a Tkachuk situation. (Not that it was desired), but we dealt with the whole will he or won't he re-sign situation with Petey. GMs don't like it. Fans don't like it. We should hope that Canucks' management take advantage of players no having arbitration and or offer sheet rights.

 

[MS]

That's kind of the primary job of an agent. Get the most money for the client. At the end of the day, there's nothing stopping from a player instructing his agent to simply negotiate the best deal with the team he wants. The player ultimately makes the call and as long as his agent properly advised him then that's all that matters. Like in the case of Zadorov, outside of family issues and team's competitive window doesn't match, "fit" doesn't really matter when you're talking about getting a 6 year $5M AAV deal with some no trade protection. Same with DeBrusk. If you think you're a good player and a team is making a big commitment to you in the form of a long-term $ contract you are probably thinking you'll be able to make it work.

With Stamkos, I don't blame him for not wanting to end his career on LTIR. And coming off a 40 goal 81 point season, I don't blame him for not taking Tampa's. If we offered the same with the Sedins they might have left as well. The one exception would be that if th team rolled out the red carpet for Stamkos but this is also a team that previously asked if he would be wiling to waive his NTC.

The primary job of an agent is to get the best combination of situation and financial compensation for their client. But they aren't a neutral party and I think too often they push the player into solely a 'most $$$' position which also benefits the agent.

Zadorov loved Vancouver, the team loved Zadorov, Zadorov had been a guy who bounced around 5 or 6 teams in the last 6 or 8 years and *finally* found a fit for himself. And then he bolts over an extra $500k and is now in a situation that isn't great again. His agent should have been pushing hard to take a little less in order to stay in a better, known situation.

 

[Jerry the great]

The primary job of an agent is to get the best combination of situation and financial compensation for their client. But they aren't a neutral party and I think too often they push the player into solely a 'most $$$' position which also benefits the agent.

Zadorov loved Vancouver, the team loved Zadorov, Zadorov had been a guy who bounced around 5 or 6 teams in the last 6 or 8 years and *finally* found a fit for himself. And then he bolts over an extra $500k and is now in a situation that isn't great again. His agent should have been pushing hard to take a little less in order to stay in a better, known situation.

the intersection of agent greed and player ego.

 

[StreetHawk]

Ya both Murray and Botterill made sense at the time but both were bad.



That's kind of the primary job of an agent. Get the most money for the client. At the end of the day, there's nothing stopping from a player instructing his agent to simply negotiate the best deal with the team he wants. The player ultimately makes the call and as long as his agent properly advised him then that's all that matters. Like in the case of Zadorov, outside of family issues and team's competitive window doesn't match, "fit" doesn't really matter when you're talking about getting a 6 year $5M AAV deal with some no trade protection. Same with DeBrusk. If you think you're a good player and a team is making a big commitment to you in the form of a long-term $ contract you are probably thinking you'll be able to make it work.

With Stamkos, I don't blame him for not wanting to end his career on LTIR. And coming off a 40 goal 81 point season, I don't blame him for not taking Tampa's. If we offered the same with the Sedins they might have left as well. The one exception would be that if th team rolled out the red carpet for Stamkos but this is also a team that previously asked if he would be wiling to waive his NTC.



Negotiations go both ways. A player signing a 4 year deal means he becomes a UFA at the earliest possible time. A 3 year deal is better but you can run into a Tkachuk situation. (Not that it was desired), but we dealt with the whole will he or won't he re-sign situation with Petey. GMs don't like it. Fans don't like it. We should hope that Canucks' management take advantage of players no having arbitration and or offer sheet rights.

Bridge deals can work but in the right circumstances. Bedard is like the first wave of prospects. So eating up all his elc years while they rebuild still. Probably eating into new deal as well as they try to turn the corner early on in it. If that doesn’t go smoothly could end up like Ott and be 4/5 years into the 2nd contract before finally getting to the PO. And OtT still not there yet at 8 ywars out of it.
Bridge has its risks too as with all that losing the player may not want to sign another deal. Ideally, if you can show that you are turning the corner then you’ve extended the window of having the guy in his prime.

I would be shocked if Bedard only did a bridge to remain a rfa after it expires.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Dermott's a good guy. Don't know that he's ever really gotten back on track since that concussion. Hope someone gives him a shot.

 

[RobertKron]

The primary job of an agent is to get the best combination of situation and financial compensation for their client. But they aren't a neutral party and I think too often they push the player into solely a 'most $$$' position which also benefits the agent.

Zadorov loved Vancouver, the team loved Zadorov, Zadorov had been a guy who bounced around 5 or 6 teams in the last 6 or 8 years and *finally* found a fit for himself. And then he bolts over an extra $500k and is now in a situation that isn't great again. His agent should have been pushing hard to take a little less in order to stay in a better, known situation.

To be fair, that extra 500k is 3 million dollars. Also, I don't know that Zadorov is necessarily in a better situation if he signs here anyway. He's a somewhat erratic, albeit very likeable, player who had a run in the playoffs, but was a pretty good candidate to have the shine come off of him, IMO.

To bring the discussion back to young players - sometimes we forget that a career can be over in an instant, and it is probably a prudent move to advise a talented young player that guaranteed money now is probably not a bad priority when a lot of these guys are one bad break away from being dropped into the world as a barely high-school educated dude who has always been the top of the pecking order with a blown out knee and the maturity of a 14 year old at 22. (yes, I know that's not the case for everyone, but a lot of young ultra-high-performance athletes in all sports have basically been required to be professionally selfish since childhood and are borderline useless outside of their niche.)

 

[credulous]

To be fair, that extra 500k is 3 million dollars. Also, I don't know that Zadorov is necessarily in a better situation if he signs here anyway. He's a somewhat erratic, albeit very likeable, player who had a run in the playoffs, but was a pretty good candidate to have the shine come off of him, IMO.

To bring the discussion back to young players - sometimes we forget that a career can be over in an instant, and it is probably a prudent move to advise a talented young player that guaranteed money now is probably not a bad priority when a lot of these guys are one bad break away from being dropped into the world as a barely high-school educated dude who has always been the top of the pecking order with a blown out knee and the maturity of a 14 year old at 22. (yes, I know that's not the case for everyone, but a lot of young ultra-high-performance athletes in all sports have basically been required to be professionally selfish since childhood and are borderline useless outside of their niche.)

yeah these players only hear horror stories about guys whose career was cut short by an injury or who went from making millions to playing for the league min or even ending up in the a or over in europe. agents definitely contribute to players taking big paydays over picking better spots to play but they're far from the only reason

 

[sting101]

Montembeault getting primed for 4 nations tonight.... yikes

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Lane Hutson is the definition of all buzz for nothing

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

MTL forgot their was a 3rd period.

Jesus.

And Laughton had himself a night.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Lane Hutson is the definition of all buzz for nothing

D Zegras

 

[timw33]

Boy Macklin Celebrini looks like he's going to be a hell of a player.

 

[Nuck Bonino]

Whats going on with the Wild? getting vented tonight

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Boy Macklin Celebrini looks like he's going to be a hell of a player.

Looking like the best 1st overall since Hughes

 

[krutovsdonut]

Boy Macklin Celebrini looks like he's going to be a hell of a player.

"mack" celebrini according to hockey db.

 

[valkynax]

Oh man, the score board is wild this evening.

Penguins Oilers and Bolts all gave their opponents the beatings of a life time.

 

[supercanuck]

6 point night for Kucherov, hat trick for Guentzel. Best line in NHL right now?