Around the League Thread | Conference Final Edition | Go Tanev and Bobby Lu?

[valkynax]

Dallas was beatable.

Getting absolutely screwed by Sutherland and then again by Soucy getting suspended for something that wouldn't have been a penalty in any other game in any series if not for dops getting humilliated by missing the Bennett hit feels even worse now.

Boeser is gonna be out, unsure about Demko, Pete won't be in his top shape, and of course, we still have Mik who will do his very best to ensure every puck he touches turn into magic pixie dust.

Oh and Tocchet can't coach powerplay worth shit.

If we say Oilers was beatable, possibly, yes. Stars, I highly doubt it.

 

[TruGr1t]

I can't help but think we would have taken the Stars in 5 or 6. Such a wasted opportunity.

I dunno, a lot of roster was running on fumes against Edmonton, I dunno how much they'd have had left. Got absolutely owned in Games 6 & 7. A healthy Demko back would certainly have changed things.

 

[Bgav]

I can’t see either of these teams beating Florida

 

[TruGr1t]

I can’t see either of these teams beating Florida

I'm not sure either would beat the New York Elbows either.

 

[LordBacon]

Jeez, even we gave oilers a worse time than kings and stars.

Cant believe what Im witnessing rn, the oilers might just make the SCF and win it all.
Thats crazy

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Jeez, even we gave oilers a worse time than kings and stars.

Cant believe what Im witnessing rn, the oilers might just make the SCF and win it all.
Thats crazy

The Oilers probably have a 10-1 record and probably win the cup with a 16-4 record if they had a goaltender like Shesterkin. They are legitimately good. I do think Vegas was the best equipped team to beat them but alas...

 

[bbud]

Jeez, even we gave oilers a worse time than kings and stars.

Cant believe what Im witnessing rn, the oilers might just make the SCF and win it all.
Thats crazy

Lol not unless they paid buttman
They may get past Dallas which is a maybe the nhl wants playoff revenue especially in states need bets and beer sales lol

 

[Bonham]

There isn't a team left that's unbeatable. Oilers have as good a chance as any. They have weaknesses, but they can score at will.

Coin flip for this series, but at least there's two left in Dallas.

 

[TruGr1t]

Shot:


Chaser:

 

[rea]

Still making vancouver proud, congrats to Bieksa. He really is the best hockey analyst of all the network faces. Insightful, understands the game on both sides now, articulate, a great mix of knowledge and wittiness.

 

[bossram]

They very well could win the series, (should still be favoured!), but I am just really not a Stars guy. Made that claim to the vitriol of Stars fans on the main boards. Don't see it and never saw it with them.

If it weren't for the Nichushkin thing, would be the Avs sleepwalking to the final.

 

[Hodgy]

This old nugget. It's not actually as massive as an advantage as people make it out to be. (1) most income tax is federal (2) total tax burden needs to be taken into account not just income tax. Florida has a high sales tax and pretty high property tax for instance (I hear rich people buy stuff) and municipalities have a wide range of tax rates. Overall the total tax burden difference between Florida and California is 3-4% depending on source. There is a bigger difference to New York but no one really seems to talk too much about the New York area not being an attractive to go to compared to Florida.

From 2022 numbers the Florida tax burden is 9.1%..it actually ranks 11th. Of the US hockey cities the range is 7.6% (Tennessee) to 15.9% (New York) but in reality it's pretty much everyone under 13% except New York with several under 10%. And of course their are Jock taxes that do even things out (you are charged not just for games but for any practices etc you are in the state for).

It may be an attraction of US vs Canada but inter-US there are plenty of states with a better tax burden are essentially the same as Florida. Weather may be different and a deciding factor but not much one can do their. Even for US and Canada I've heard multiple agents talk about how it's not really a factor IF you know how to shelter your money. Which they should know how to do. I'm sure the same thing exists state to state...us mere mortals don't get access to the same loopholes.

Also it ignores the importance of winning and that prior to unrestricted free agency it's not even part of the conversation. As well it ignores everything else a team spends that translates into wins. If both Florida and Tampa were bad teams they would not attract free agents. In fact neither was a prime destination for years yet the no state tax has been in place for some time. When those teams cycle out of the competitive phase the # of players going to those teams will in turn drop yet the income tax will still be nothing.

If the canucks continue to put together strong seasons they will become a free agent destination because above all players want to win.

What’s the actual difference in effective tax rate for, say, a five million dollar income in both BC and Florida? Florida doesn’t seem to have overly high sales taxes or property taxes compared to BC, and obviously a much lower income tax rate. Still seems like a relatively significant difference.

 

[credulous]

What’s the actual difference in effective tax rate for, say, a five million dollar income in both BC and Florida? Florida doesn’t seem to have overly high sales taxes or property taxes compared to BC, and obviously a much lower income tax rate. Still seems like a relatively significant difference.

it's 1.9m in fed taxes in florida (no state tax) compared to 2.63m in fed and provincial taxes in bc (all figures usd)

it's not a super useful comparison though because athletes aren't taxed 100% in the state/province they play in

 

[credulous]

 

[Vector]

it's 1.9m in fed taxes in florida (no state tax) compared to 2.63m in fed and provincial taxes in bc (all figures usd)

it's not a super useful comparison though because athletes aren't taxed 100% in the state/province they play in

The more I've heard from various agents, former players, and management staff they all have started to say that the tax situation is pretty overstated by media. Like it matters to some and can be a differentiator if everything else is completely equal but there are many ways for accounts to shift players around tax brackets to make it pretty equivalent.

 

[credulous]

The more I've heard from various agents, former players, and management staff they all have started to say that the tax situation is pretty overstated by media. Like it matters to some and can be a differentiator if everything else is completely equal but there are many ways for accounts to shift players around tax brackets to make it pretty equivalent.

it matters a lot at the very high end where you can save potentially millions but for the average nhl player it's not a big concern

the reason vegas and florida are the top destinations for free agents (and why arizona is suprisingly popular despite being such a trash franchise) is because year round golf and relatively cheap housing not the tax situation imo. the weather and house prices are a huge reason vancouver is relatively unpopular. the tax thing is at best a distant 3rd

 

[StreetHawk]

it matters a lot at the very high end where you can save potentially millions but for the average nhl player it's not a big concern

the reason vegas and florida are the top destinations for free agents (and why arizona is suprisingly popular despite being such a trash franchise) is because year round golf and relatively cheap housing not the tax situation imo. the weather and house prices are a huge reason vancouver is relatively unpopular. the tax thing is at best a distant 3rd

Like we are seeing with Tavares and CRA, player will employ tax professionals to assist them to help with tax strategies.

Nice weather places, given the time of year that NHL plays is beneficial when players are away from family. Easier in warmer climates, for players with families, to take little kids around when you are not having to deal with heavy coats, umbrellas, boots, etc. along with the stroller and stuff. Plus, they also enjoy not being noticed and don't hear as much talk about the player when they are out and about.

Vancouver, Seattle, Portland is a challenge as we saw recently with former Hawk Harris who went over in the Wilson trade that he didn't enjoy the city. If you are not used to the grey clouds from Nov to Mar, it can get depressing as most other places can be cold and snowy in the winter, but the sun is out. Now, for MLB, probably easier to Seattle to convince players to come there vs super warm places that have to play in dome like in Texas, AZ, FLA, Not dealing with grey skies during the season for the most part.

 

[Vector]

it matters a lot at the very high end where you can save potentially millions but for the average nhl player it's not a big concern

the reason vegas and florida are the top destinations for free agents (and why arizona is suprisingly popular despite being such a trash franchise) is because year round golf and relatively cheap housing not the tax situation imo. the weather and house prices are a huge reason vancouver is relatively unpopular. the tax thing is at best a distant 3rd

From what I've heard/read it's not even a distant 3rd. It's overblown due to various clever accounting tactics. And yeah, weather and city appeal are the largest factors. Distance to the rink/practice facility was pretty important to a lot of players as well.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

He'll play.
You know he'll play.

 

[valkynax]

He'll play.
You know he'll play.

A warrior's walk.

And we led him go.

Commando Dimbo is a disgraceful piss stain on our team's history, his name will be rotting and festering in the septic tank, feasted on by maggots, along with Keenan and Messier, forever.

 

[I am toxic]

it matters a lot at the very high end where you can save potentially millions but for the average nhl player it's not a big concern

the reason vegas and florida are the top destinations for free agents (and why arizona is suprisingly popular despite being such a trash franchise) is because year round golf and relatively cheap housing not the tax situation imo. the weather and house prices are a huge reason vancouver is relatively unpopular. the tax thing is at best a distant 3rd

yep

add media scrutiny and a toxic fan to the mix

 

[Vector]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1796240778269786410

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1796240778269786410

Prolonging the playoffs with 3 day breaks between games. Stupid NHL.

 

[StreetHawk]

Prolonging the playoffs with 3 day breaks between games. Stupid NHL.

Man, every game following game 2 is 2 fully days off? I get it for travel between games 3 to 4, but for each game to be 2 full days off.

 

[MS]

Prolonging the playoffs with 3 day breaks between games. Stupid NHL.

Added fully 4 days to the season for no reason.