I'll never forget the 11 games Foligno played for the leafs and the leadership he provided
Only cost us a first rounder. Luckily for us the player Columbus picked looks like a flop so far (Corson Ceulemans) and we did draft Hiddelby with the other pick we got back
Man amount of trash players we had to sign because we had no cap space
Galleychunk needs to be added to the list. He only got arrested after
I fear for Pens fans tonight.
They weren't bums when they were here, and they weren't "held in such high regard" or "used so prominently". They ranged from #4-#6 defenseman and 3rd line-4th line forward with us. Based on their play with the Leafs, the rest of the league saw them to be worth assets in Engvall's case, and more money in both cases.Why were these bums held in such high regard and used so prominently here when the rest of the league can see them for what they are?
Seems you still struggle to understand that players and their impacts change over time. Nobody thought he was an "elite shutdown D", but you were wrong if you think he always sucked. He paired well with Muzzin, and they were a strong shutdown pairing for a couple years. As he moved out of his peak and into his 30s, moved to a more chaotic team, and played with lesser quality and less complimentary partners under a worse coach, he started to struggle.Could we please rehash all of the advanced stats that told us Justin Holl was an elite shutdown D and those of us who said he sucked had no idea what we were watching?
@Dekes For Days you're pretty well versed in those stats, wanna start?
Love this... "f*** the plays, pound their f***ing D!"
Holl never struggled here?They weren't bums when they were here, and they weren't "held in such high regard" or "used so prominently". They ranged from #4-#6 defenseman and 3rd line-4th line forward with us. Based on their play with the Leafs, the rest of the league saw them to be worth assets in Engvall's case, and more money in both cases.
Seems you still struggle to understand that players and their impacts change over time. Nobody thought he was an "elite shutdown D", but you were wrong if you think he always sucked. He paired well with Muzzin, and they were a strong shutdown pairing for a couple years. As he moved out of his peak and into his 30s, moved to a more chaotic team, and played with lesser quality and less complimentary partners under a worse coach, he started to struggle.
They weren't bums when they were here, and they weren't "held in such high regard" or "used so prominently". They ranged from #4-#6 defenseman and 3rd line-4th line forward with us. Based on their play with the Leafs, the rest of the league saw them to be worth assets in Engvall's case, and more money in both cases.
Seems you still struggle to understand that players and their impacts change over time. Nobody thought he was an "elite shutdown D", but you were wrong if you think he always sucked. He paired well with Muzzin, and they were a strong shutdown pairing for a couple years. As he moved out of his peak and into his 30s, moved to a more chaotic team, and played with lesser quality and less complimentary partners under a worse coach, he started to struggle.
hhHoll never struggled here?
I’d say he struggled a little.Holl never struggled here?
Yup, 31 year old D with less than 300 career games played just "exit" their peak the second they leave the LeafsSeems you still struggle to understand that players and their impacts change over time. Nobody thought he was an "elite shutdown D", but you were wrong if you think he always sucked. He paired well with Muzzin, and they were a strong shutdown pairing for a couple years. As he moved out of his peak and into his 30s, moved to a more chaotic team, and played with lesser quality and less complimentary partners under a worse coach, he started to struggle.