Around the League - PLAYOFFS!?

[TheGreenTBer]

excuses are for losers or so ive been told on these boards lol

Fair point, but unlike Toronto you can't systemically blame Edmonton's stars (or at least the big two) for not showing up in the playoffs on a consistently mass scale.

For us, the core has always been a problem. For them, it's literally everything else.

 

[ULF_55]

Cujo guy here. Deeper runs.

Leafs have had some goalies over the years who have give a poop and gave an honest effort and you felt comfortable with, even if they weren't the best goalie on the ice.

Also liked Felix.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

OK, I've seen enough. Dallas will win EDM-DAL series.

FLD and NYR are going to systematically murder each other in probably 7 games. I don't see either one having enough left to deal with Dallas.

Dallas wins the Cup, game 5 or 6 of finals depending on NYR or FLD getting through, they do it at home.




They won that game at least.

Jesus Christ. That goal...that f***ing goal.

AND we overpaid to get that turd chewer in a trade too.

 

[Squiffy]

Anyway the Oilers can get Kadri to accidentally dive into Oettinger's knees?

BwO sources report we can expect Kadri to enter the series to do so, yes. He's been practicing.

 

[ULF_55]

Fair point, but unlike Toronto you can't systemically blame Edmonton's stars for not showing up in the playoffs on a consistently mass scale.

For us, the core has always been a problem. For them, it's literally everything else.

Well that is a bit misleading.

Year after year, only 4 players show up on the top for the Leafs in the playoffs, with 2 exceptions Kerfoot and O'Reilly.

This year Nylander only plays 4 games and leads the team in goals.
Last 5 years Nylander leads in goal scoring with Matthews 2nd. Then Tavares, Rielly and marner.

Some other players have to step up ...

The hope players like Knies, Cowan, Minten can show some character.

 

[Squiffy]

Leafs have had some goalies over the years who have give a poop and gave an honest effort and you felt comfortable with, even if they weren't the best goalie on the ice.

Also liked Felix.

The Cat tops my list of favourite goalies in my cursed 40+ year existence as a Leaf fan, but that's kinda like the music you love at 16 is your favourite music for life, he had those runs when I was still young. Pragmatically, I think Cujo was the best I've seen tending the twine for the Leafs.

There's a generation the gets Palmateer, Bower and Sawchuk to pick from on top of those 3 too, @ULF_55? My dad picks Bower from that list of 6, he knows his hockey.

 

[hamzarocks]

yeah somehow Draisatl is as good as the third highest scorer in history lol

Has the 2nd highest ppg in playoffs history

His production the past 3 years has matched/surpassedpeak Messier playoffs.

Don't bring up weak competition or being behind Gretzky

Messier and oilers beat up on weak teams as well in 80s and early 90s (flames, jets being two medicore teams of that era)

Messier was also behind Gretzky and # 2 option on a super stacked oilers dynasty

The oilers are hurt by an idiot GM who pays a 5M D-man in nurse 9.25M and an 1M goalie in campbell 5M

Oilers top end talent is as lethal as it comes in hockey. Last 3 years the leading scorers and ppg producers are Oilers duo and Hyman & Bouchard very high as well.

Holland had a cup winning core on a platter and he botched it

If we replaced our core with the oilers im confident evan dubas or treliving would have been able to built a cup winner by now with them

 

[ULF_55]

The Cat tops my list of favourite goalies in my cursed 40+ year existence as a Leaf fan, but that's kinda like the music you love at 16 is your favourite music for life, he had those runs when I was still young. Pragmatically, I think Cujo was the best I've seen tending the twine for the Leafs.

Belfour with those sharp angle goals ... played so well and then stinkers.

Joseph was a very good player.

You probably don't remember Leafs had Bernie Parent and Jacque Plante at the same time ... JFC

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Well that is a bit misleading.

Year after year, only 4 players show up on the top for the Leafs in the playoffs, with 2 exceptions Kerfoot and O'Reilly.

This year Nylander only plays 4 games and leads the team in goals.
Last 5 years Nylander leads in goal scoring with Matthews 2nd. Then Tavares, Rielly and marner.

Some other players have to step up ...

The hope players like Knies, Cowan, Minten can show some character.

The top of what, our scoring charts? They don't consistently elevate their play or the players around them in the postseason relative to their regular season performances. To my eye test, Nylander is the least significant offender in that regard and that's surprising because he's a soft player.

I love Knies. The one thing Dubas did right was to not move him at the deadline. Minten is a checking forward at best. Cowan I'm hoping for.

 

[Squiffy]

Belfour with those sharp angle goals ... played so well and then stinkers.

Joseph was a very good player.

You probably don't remember Leafs had Bernie Parent and Jacque Plante at the same time ... JFC

Palmateer, Bower and Sawchuk to pick from on top of all this too, @ULF_55? My dad picks Bower from that list, you?

 

[ULF_55]

The top of what, our scoring charts? They don't consistently elevate their play or the players around them in the postseason relative to their regular season performances. To my eye test, Nylander is the least significant offender in that regard and that's surprising because he's a soft player.

I love Knies. The one thing Dubas did right was to not move him at the deadline. Minten is a checking forward at best. Cowan I'm hoping for.

If Minten can be an effective checking forward that's a win.

There are so many holes in the bottom 6.

It's like two top lines and two 5th. lines. Zero depth, zero checking lines, zero PK, and zero PP.

O'Reilly looked around and ran.

 

[Squiffy]

The top of what, our scoring charts? They don't consistently elevate their play or the players around them in the postseason relative to their regular season performances. To my eye test, Nylander is the least significant offender in that regard and that's surprising because he's a soft player.

I love Knies. The one thing Dubas did right was to not move him at the deadline. Minten is a checking forward at best. Cowan I'm hoping for.

Believe you are right on Minten. Not to knock it, homegrown and drafted good 3rd line checking centre cheap? Yes please, all day long.

 

[JKG33]

It's gunna be hilarious if McDavid signs in Toronto and it's more of the same shit. To his credit he puts up points in the playoffs where the overpaid 4 don't. But f*** me he's useless defensively.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Believe you are right on Minten. Not to knock it, homegrown and drafted good 3rd line checking centre cheap? Yes please, all day long.

Yeah it doesn't mean he won't necessarily be useful.

We just need more scoring depth and I think he's unlikely to alleviate that problem.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

Edmonton deploys Hyman differently than we did. We had him fetch the pucks out of the corners for our ballerinas. Edmonton has him parked in front of the net.

 

[ULF_55]

Palmateer, Bower and Sawchuk to pick from on top of all this too, @ULF_55? My dad picks Bower from that list, you?

Bower longevity, but ... such a long time ago and I was a kid ... I remember thinking Sawchuck was better, but Bower was the key. Also won Vezina's.

Don't make me sad ...

 

[TheGreenTBer]

It's gunna be hilarious if McDavid signs in Toronto and it's more of the same shit. To his credit he puts up points in the playoffs where the overpaid 4 don't. But f*** me he's useless defensively.

McDavid is the best player I've ever seen on the rush, and just as devastating on the PP, but in a very tight-checking game give me Drai. His otherworldly puck control and vision are unstoppable. He doesn't need empty space to make you look like a bitch.

 

[Squiffy]

Love the organic conversation, this is the boards working like they should.

Yeah it doesn't mean he won't necessarily be useful.

We just need more scoring depth and I think he's unlikely to alleviate that problem.

No he's not. He's not coming in and being better then like Holmberg. Rookie Minten isn't better then current Holmberg. Maybe higher ceiling but not a big deal.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

It's gunna be hilarious if McDavid signs in Toronto and it's more of the same shit. To his credit he puts up points in the playoffs where the overpaid 4 don't. But f*** me he's useless defensively.

This is a disaster waiting to happen. Besides that, I find McDavid to be an incredibly unlikeable player. Dives like a soccer player and is extremely entitled to the officials. Felt the same about Gretzky never suiting up for the Leafs.

 

[IPS]

Has the 2nd highest ppg in playoffs history

His production the past 3 years has matched/surpassedpeak Messier playoffs.

Don't bring up weak competition or being behind Gretzky

Messier and oilers beat up on weak teams as well in 80s and early 90s (flames, jets being two medicore teams of that era)

Messier was also behind Gretzky and # 2 option on a super stacked oilers dynasty

The oilers are hurt by an idiot GM who pays a 5M D-man in nurse 9.25M and an 1M goalie in campbell 5M

Oilers top end talent is as lethal as it comes in hockey. Last 3 years the leading scorers and ppg producers are Oilers duo and Hyman & Bouchard very high as well.

Holland had a cup winning core on a platter and he botched it

If we replaced our core with the oilers im confident evan dubas or treliving would have been able to built a cup winner by now with them

Yeah I'm not one to defend the Oilers but people talk way too much about his bad defensive game. When you do what he does offensively it's up to the GM to figure out how to work around your weaknesses.

 

[ThrowDemTongs]

It's gunna be hilarious if McDavid signs in Toronto and it's more of the same shit. To his credit he puts up points in the playoffs where the overpaid 4 don't. But f*** me he's useless defensively.

Our regular seasons are gonna be off the charts

 

[ULF_55]

Love the organic conversation, this is the boards working like they should.

No he's not. He's not coming in and being better then like Holmberg. Rookie Minten isn't better then current Holmberg. Maybe higher ceiling but not a big deal.

There was some discussion about Alyn McCauley.
Until the concussion issues he was headed in the right direction, and then stepped up in the playoffs.
Maybe that's Holmberg, maybe it's Minten.
I can't think of a player who has stepped up in the playoffs in this current iteration of the team.
Other than 20-21 when Nylander carried Kerfoot.

 

[Kurtz]

This is a disaster waiting to happen. Besides that, I find McDavid to be an incredibly unlikeable player. Dives like a soccer player and is extremely entitled to the officials. Felt the same about Gretzky never suiting up for the Leafs.

Did you know that Wayne had agreed to sign with the Leafs I believe in '96, but the Leafs mgmt at the time was cutting costs and passed?

 

[Kurtz]

There was some discussion about Alyn McCauley.
Until the concussion issues he was headed in the right direction, and then stepped up in the playoffs.
Maybe that's Holmberg, maybe it's Minten.
I can't think of a player who has stepped up in the playoffs in this current iteration of the team.
Other than 20-21 when Nylander carried Kerfoot.

Knies had stepped up both last year and this one. But that's about it.

 

[Superstar]

Jesus Christ. That goal...that f***ing goal.

AND we overpaid to get that turd chewer in a trade too.

The Rask trade hurt more, it was franchise defining.