Around the League - PLAYOFFS!?

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If the Leafs suavely handled the Salary Cap as Vegas routinely does you can bet those "loopholes" would be promptly closed.
The Leafs are doing the exact same thing. They are using the LTIR money from Murray and Muzzin to pay Bertuzzi and Domi. They are using Klingberg's money to carry more guys. The difference is that Vegas does it with big flashy deals.
 
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The Leafs are doing the exact same thing. They are using the LTIR money from Murray and Muzzin to pay Bertuzzi and Domi. They are using Klingberg's money to carry more guys. The difference is that Vegas does it with big flashy deals.
No it’s not the exact same thing. It’s been explained to you before. Tampa and Vegas put players (stars) on LTIR then used the cap space to sign another player and once the playoffs began and the cap was not in play the “injured player” all of a sudden was in perfect shape for the playoffs. Not remotely the same thing.
 
No it’s not the exact same thing. It’s been explained to you before. Tampa and Vegas put players (stars) on LTIR then used the cap space to sign another player and once the playoffs began and the cap was not in play the “injured player” all of a sudden was in perfect shape for the playoffs. Not remotely the same thing.
Stone has a lacerated spleen. The guy didn't get a hangnail. Maybe he comes back for the playoffs, maybe he doesn't. Same goes for Matt Murray. He is skating. Likely ready for the playoffs. The only difference is (a) Matt Murray is garbage, and mark stone isn't; and (b) Vegas used its LTIR money on Hanifin, and the leafs used its LTIR money on bertuzzi and domi. Both teams have a guy who will never return (lehner and muzzin). Maybe the leafs get klingberg back for the playoffs, as well, even though they've also already used his LTIR money.
 
Stone has a lacerated spleen. The guy didn't get a hangnail. Maybe he comes back for the playoffs, maybe he doesn't. Same goes for Matt Murray. He is skating. Likely ready for the playoffs. The only difference is (a) Matt Murray is garbage, and mark stone isn't; and (b) Vegas used its LTIR money on Hanifin, and the leafs used its LTIR money on bertuzzi and domi. Both teams have a guy who will never return (lehner and muzzin). Maybe the leafs get klingberg back for the playoffs, as well, even though they've also already used his LTIR money.
I answered your question now your doing the typical goal post moving. If klingberg and Murray come back then yes its almost the same.
 
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Stone has a lacerated spleen. The guy didn't get a hangnail. Maybe he comes back for the playoffs, maybe he doesn't. Same goes for Matt Murray. He is skating. Likely ready for the playoffs. The only difference is (a) Matt Murray is garbage, and mark stone isn't; and (b) Vegas used its LTIR money on Hanifin, and the leafs used its LTIR money on bertuzzi and domi. Both teams have a guy who will never return (lehner and muzzin). Maybe the leafs get klingberg back for the playoffs, as well, even though they've also already used his LTIR money.

If you don't think that Stone is on the ice for game 1 of the playoffs, I've got a bridge to sell you.
 
If you don't think that Stone is on the ice for game 1 of the playoffs, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Exactly. But I bet that poster would gladly buy the bridge off you. Never seen such a confidently incorrect poster. Lol.
 
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I answered your question now your doing the typical goal post moving. If klingberg and Murray come back then yes its almost the same.
I'm not moving anything. Murray is practicing. He will be ready for game 1 of the playoffs. In fact, likely ready before Mark Stone. Classic salary cap manipulation by the leafs. But the problem is that it's Matt Murray, and the leafs don't even want Matt Murray back. Colorado is doing the same with landeskog. They couldn't even activate him now if they wanted to because they can't fit his salary.

Maybe the difference isn't the salary cap and LTIR. Maybe the difference is that vegas' management is just...better.

Exactly. But I bet that poster would gladly buy the bridge off you. Never seen such a confidently incorrect poster. Lol.
Nah, you're just missing the point. Stone might be ready for game 1. So will Matt Murray.
 
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The Leafs are doing the exact same thing. They are using the LTIR money from Murray and Muzzin to pay Bertuzzi and Domi. They are using Klingberg's money to carry more guys. The difference is that Vegas does it with big flashy deals.

Not really. The difference is that Vegas puts players
In LTIR to load up and bring them back for the playoffs.

2 years ago they made a brutally injured lehner dress and sit on the bench when he couldn’t play and he is still gone 2 years later.

If Tavares went down. We loaded up 11 million over and he came back and we had a 94 million dollar roster that would be the same
 
If you don't think that Stone is on the ice for game 1 of the playoffs, I've got a bridge to sell you.
And when Matt Murray is ready for game 1, what then?

Not really. The difference is that Vegas puts players
In LTIR to load up and bring them back for the playoffs.

2 years ago they made a brutally injured lehner dress and sit on the bench when he couldn’t play and he is still gone 2 years later.

If Tavares went down. We loaded up 11 million over and he came back and we had a 94 million dollar roster that would be the same
The leafs currently have a $97 million roster. What's amazing to me is that you guys complain endlessly about the leafs' management, and then defend their incompetence when another team has clearly better management.
 
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And when Matt Murray is ready for game 1, what then?

1.) that’s not the same thing at all. The leafs will be dressing an 83.5 million dollar roster on ice during the playoffs. Other teams have had 15-20 million over the cap. Not remotely close to the same advantage. You can argue both are wrong. But you can’t argue that they are the same

2.) what information do you have that Murray is ready?


This is why you are so confusing. You just say things as if they are fact. When you are wrong you just double down

And when Matt Murray is ready for game 1, what then?


The leafs currently have a $97 million roster.

????? On the ice?

You think the are going to be 97 million dollars worth of players dressed and competing in a game?
 
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And when Matt Murray is ready for game 1, what then?


The leafs currently have a $97 million roster.
Unbelievable. Hahahahahaha. Take the loss and move on. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Not really. The difference is that Vegas puts players
In LTIR to load up and bring them back for the playoffs.

2 years ago they made a brutally injured lehner dress and sit on the bench when he couldn’t play and he is still gone 2 years later.

If Tavares went down. We loaded up 11 million over and he came back and we had a 94 million dollar roster that would be the same
Thank you for trying to explain this to him. It’s a waste of time sadly but at least you tried.
 
1.) that’s not the same thing at all. The leafs will be dressing an 83.5 million dollar roster on ice during the playoffs. Other teams have had 15-20 million over the cap. Not remotely close to the same advantage. You can argue both are wrong. But you can’t argue that they are the same

2.) what information do you have that Murray is ready?


This is why you are so confusing. You just say things as if they are fact. When you are wrong you just double down



????? On the ice?

You think the are going to be 97 million dollars worth of players dressed and competing in a game?
The leafs have admitted that Murray is practicing. It's not a secret.

As for the size of the payroll as of game 1, Vegas might have more dollars on the ice. If so, good on them for using the exact same system everyone else plays under better than everyone else.

As an aside, do you really believe that vegas' is happy about Mark Stone being injured? The team has played like garbage without him. I'm sure they would much rather have him on the ice.
 
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The leafs have admitted that Murray is practicing. It's not a secret.

As for the size of the payroll as of game 1, Vegas might have more dollars on the ice. If so, good on them for using the exact same system everyone else plays under better than everyone else.

As an aside, do you really believe that vegas' is happy about Mark Stone being injured? The team has played like garbage without him. I'm sure they would much rather have him on the ice.

Practicing and being ready for nhl hockey are not at all the same.

Does practicing mean throwing tennis balls at a wall? Off ice hand eye drills? Is he a full participant in practice? I have never seen him listed as a participant


What actual evidence do you have that he will be ready by game 1? Are you just guessing based on an off hand comment?
 
Practicing and being ready for nhl hockey are not at all the same.

Does practicing mean throwing tennis balls at a wall? Off ice hand eye drills? Is he a full participant in practice? I have never seen him listed as a participant


What actual evidence do you have that he will be ready by game 1? Are you just guessing based on an off hand comment?
 
Is Muzzin coming back game 1?
Is Robin lehner? Both of those guys are irrelevant. If the leafs get Murray (or klingberg) back for the playoffs, it is the same as Vegas getting stone back. The difference is the quality of the players on LTIR and the quality of the players acquired with the LTIR money. That is on management.
 
That says they are building a plan. He is seeing pucks and he hasn’t been seen in full equipment.

No one knows what that means for him to be healthy in a month.

You are just saying he will be ready by game 1 with no evidence.
His timeline was anywhere from early April to early June without setbacks.
You guys are obsessed with this game one thing. If stone comes back in the second round rather than the first, does that make what Vegas did more legitimate? The timeline for a lacerated spleen is months. My guess is they acquired hertl because they probably have an idea that stone is not coming back for quite a while, if at all this year.
 
You guys are obsessed with this game one thing. If stone comes back in the second round rather than the first, does that make what Vegas did more legitimate? The timeline for a lacerated spleen is months. My guess is they acquired hertl because they probably have an idea that stone is not coming back for quite a while, if at all this year.

Because that matters. If a player is ready on game 83. He’s probably ready on game 82 which means they are cheating.

If a guy is injured. The team plays without him for a month and he gets healthy. That is a very different thing.

If Murray is ready on game 1 I will agree with you. If he comes in and backs up in the 3rd round it’s different.

Vegas already pulled this once. If they don’t this year and play without stone for a round then it’s normal. If he miraculously comes back exactly on game 1 it’s cheating.
 
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Because that matters. If a player is ready on game 83. He’s probably ready on game 82 which means they are cheating.

If a guy is injured. The team plays without him for a month and he gets healthy. That is a very different thing.

If Murray is ready on game 1 I will agree with you. If he comes in and backs up in the 3rd round it’s different.

Vegas already pulled this once. If they don’t this year and play without stone for a round then it’s normal. If he miraculously comes back exactly on game 1 it’s cheating.
I don't think we will see stone for game 1. As I said, I think the acquisition of hertl was their insurance for stone not coming back.
 
I don't think we will see stone for game 1. As I said, I think the acquisition of hertl was their insurance for stone not coming back.

And if that’s true it’s a very different thing. You just seem to have a habit of claiming what you “think” is somehow fact.

We will see how it all plays out. Vegas already did this once
 
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