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ToneDog said:
Holl and Kerfoot could have been dumped. In the end, they walked for nothing.
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That's what happens... you move on from players, every team does this... and no, Holl and Kerfoot couldn't be dumped...

Our team didn't drop in quality moving on from Hyman, he was adequately replaced in this case, by a replacement level contract. Holl and Kerfoot still would have needed to be replaced, and while Bunting did it a near league minimum contract, the expectation that we can regularly replace mid level players, with league min contracts is unlikely at best. The move you are proposing as as possibility, continues to move us in the direction of a very top heavy team, with even more reliance on league min contracts... it's just the reality.

This was the right move for our team... and congrats to Hyman on his ongoing success. To keep Hyman, would have cost us in other areas...

But our borderline obsession with pining over players that leave the organization and have success is pretty crazy.
 
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At the time myself and I think the general consensus was that walking away from Hyman made sense given his play style and the knee issues he had the last couple years here.

Sometimes you do something that all the logic points to being the right decision and it just doesn't go as expected. The guy just keeps improving, it's remarkable really. You could make an argument that he's been better than Nylander and Marner the last 2.5 years in Edmonton given the fact he has put up big numbers and the value he brings besides production. 36 goals and 83 points last year, 14 goals in 28 playoff games as an Oiler (more than Marner has in his career). I don't think it's even a debate if you factor in their cap hits.
 
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Jojalu said:
Lafferty has only been on that line for a game or 2.

He was on the 3rd/4th line for almost the entire season.

He still wouldn't have the same numbers here as he would be on the 4th line playing 5 mins a night
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Yeah I know that sentence was a precursor to the incoming stat padding that might entice a riot. Calming that down from now.
 
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SprDaVE said:
If there's something Leaf fans are good at, is looking at the past and reminiscing about all the errors, issues and what went wrong to constantly churn back into a current conversation as some sort of way of feeling worst for some reason.

Let's move on from the constant talk about ex-Leafs and hindsight conversations about the Leafs, and stay on topic.
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Samwise Lafferty
 
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ULF_55 said:
Could have not signed Marleau.

Tavares might be a hotspot for many, but I think the bigger signing was Marleau.
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Marleau was a STUPID signing. Too much money and for 3 seasons too long.

Along with Tavares, Marleau simply taught Matthews, Marner, and Nylander how to be greedy.

JMHO.
 
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I was once married to a woman who was focused on every negative thing that happened in the past... what a toxic person.

Luckily I'm with a forward thinking woman now....
 
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SprDaVE said:
If there's something Leaf fans are good at, is looking at the past and reminiscing about all the errors, issues and what went wrong to constantly churn back into a current conversation as some sort of way of feeling worst for some reason.

Let's move on from the constant talk about ex-Leafs and hindsight conversations about the Leafs, and stay on topic.
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If it's legitimately good players I can understand why. Every fanbase gets upset over it.

Getting upset over the Sam Lafferty's of the world is what your post applies to most.
 
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Imagine if we had Bunting, Kadri, and Hyman on this team? I am pretty sure that MLSE hates passion and aggression, there is no other explanation why this team is as soft as it is.

3blizzard4 said:
3-0 Edmonton over the Canes not even half way past the 1st period.
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Canes have been overrated for years. Brindamour is a delusional whiner. "It didn't feel like a sweep".... It was a sweep.
 
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IPS said:
If it's legitimately good players I can understand why. Every fanbase gets upset over it.

Getting upset over the Sam Lafferty's of the world is what your post applies to most.
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Compared to who replaced him, Sam Lafferty is a legitimately good player (in that he is clearly capable of playing in the NHL; Reaves is not)
 
SprDaVE said:
If there's something Leaf fans are good at, is looking at the past and reminiscing about all the errors, issues and what went wrong to constantly churn back into a current conversation as some sort of way of feeling worst for some reason.

Let's move on from the constant talk about ex-Leafs and hindsight conversations about the Leafs, and stay on topic.
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It is not only the fans. Kyper and Bourne are saying the same things about Hyman. Go figure.
 
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SprDaVE said:
If there's something Leaf fans are good at, is looking at the past and reminiscing about all the errors, issues and what went wrong to constantly churn back into a current conversation as some sort of way of feeling worst for some reason.

Let's move on from the constant talk about ex-Leafs and hindsight conversations about the Leafs, and stay on topic.
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Eh, this is the 'around the league' thread and it's a place to discuss other players, especially former Leafs. I don't care about Lafferty, I liked him and I think Keefe misused him, but ultimately Gregor is just as good IMO and also younger, and there's other guys in the pipeline like McMann, Steeves, Holmberg etc. who I want to see given a chance.

However, there are some pretty boneheaded moves Dubas . The extent to which he protected players like Holl and Kerfoot as if they were irreplaceable was a joke. He made an excellent move acquiring McCann for basically nothing, and then proceeded to let him get selected in the expansion draft so we could keep Holl around. He didn't pony up the extra 500k or whatever for Hyman, and other useful depth guys like Amadio, Marchment, Barabanov etc were tossed away for pretty much nothing. He was far too loyal to 'his' guys, especially the Soo boys. It sucks to see these players go elsewhere and perform well for other teams.

Menzinger said:
Yep. It was sad to see Hyman go, but the issue was never going to be the first few years of the deal, it was going to be the last 2-3 where things will get ugly.
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Unfortunately it looks like this was a miscalculation. Hyman is a late bloomer who only made the NHL in his mid-20s and gets better every single year. He's still only 31 years old and doesn't look like he'll be slowing down anytime soon. At most, he might be a drag for the final 1-2 years of the deal.

He basically got the TJ Oshie deal except he was younger and in his prime still (Oshie was Hyman's age now when he signed his 8 year deal), and that deal actually aged well for the Caps as Oshie was fairly productive for most of it and was an integral part of their Cup run.
 
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1specter said:
Eh, this is the 'around the league' thread and it's a place to discuss other players, especially former Leafs. I don't care about Lafferty, I liked him and I think Keefe misused him, but ultimately Gregor is just as good IMO and also younger, and there's other guys in the pipeline like McMann, Steeves, Holmberg etc. who I want to see given a chance.

However, there are some pretty boneheaded moves Dubas made . The extent to which he protected players like Holl and Kerfoot as if they were irreplaceable was a joke. He made an excellent move acquiring McCann for basically nothing, and then proceeded to let him get selected in the expansion draft so we could keep Holl around. He didn't pony up the extra 500k or whatever for Hyman, and other useful depth guys like Amadio, Marchment, Barabanov etc were tossed away for pretty much nothing. He was far too loyal to 'his' guys, especially the Soo boys. It sucks to see these players go elsewhere and perform well for other teams.


Unfortunately it looks like this was a miscalculation. Hyman is a late bloomer who only made the NHL in his mid-20s and gets better every single year. He's still only 31 years old and doesn't look like he'll be slowing down anytime soon. At most, he might be a drag for the final 1-2 years of the deal.

He basically got the TJ Oshie deal except he was younger and in his prime still (Oshie was Hyman's age now when he signed his 8 year deal), and that deal actually aged well for the Caps as Oshie was fairly productive for most of it and was an integral part of their Cup run.
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You mentioned 2 that dont get mentioned much but still kinda iss me off.. barabanov and amadio
 
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1specter said:
I can accept this one a bit more as Campbell played pretty well for the Leafs overall and did bridge us through the end of Andersen's time here, but yeah that one stings a bit too. Thank God the Oilers saved Dubas from himself on that one though.
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He's a nice guy, too, but that trade has aged like milk.
 
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