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DanM

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Wouldn't be that difficult. Either make salary "after taxes" or more simply give teams a "tax exception" on their cap based on the different in comparison to the lowest taxed team. The difference or at least a portion of it is added to a team's salary cap.

I agree though, won't happen.

And people complained of the unfair advantage Toronto had with endorsements, market size, and long term injury loopholes.

The best part is you hear people bitch about how the Leafs should be fined for this and that, and how endorsements should not be allowed to be part of it. Yet these same people turn a blind eye on here to Tampa spending x amount of dollars on 7 players, and we spend the same on 3, and because we don't have the same tax structure, we can't keep as many.

It's such bullshit, I have been going on about this for a while, it's a damn advantage! maybe not as big a deal as I think, but still a competitive advantage in a league that's all about parity.

I mean you have a winning team, best weather, privacy, and you get paid more.... so you have your own cap so to speak....BS

The league chopped the balls off teams like MTL and Toronto cap wise, and gave it to others. how long before other low or no tax states just start working towards Tampa's model.
 
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And people complained of the unfair advantage Toronto had with endorsements, market size, and long term injury loopholes.

The best part is you hear people ***** about how the Leafs should be fined for this and that, and how endorsements should not be allowed to be part of it. Yet these same people turn a blind eye on here to Tampa spending x amount of dollars on 7 players, and we spend the same on 3, and because we don't have the same tax structure, we can't keep as many.

It's such bull****, I have been going on about this for a while, it's a damn advantage! maybe not as big a deal as I think, but still a competitive advantage in a league that's all about parity.

I mean you have a winning team, best weather, privacy, and you get paid more.... so you have your own cap so to speak....BS

The league chopped the balls off teams like MTL and Toronto cap wise, and gave it to others. how long before other low or no tax states just start working towards Tampa's model.

someone showed that NHL players get paid in US dollars, when it gets exchanged to Canadian dollars that whole TAX advantage really isn't that much of an advantage anymore
 
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And people complained of the unfair advantage Toronto had with endorsements, market size, and long term injury loopholes.

The best part is you hear people ***** about how the Leafs should be fined for this and that, and how endorsements should not be allowed to be part of it. Yet these same people turn a blind eye on here to Tampa spending x amount of dollars on 7 players, and we spend the same on 3, and because we don't have the same tax structure, we can't keep as many.

It's such bull****, I have been going on about this for a while, it's a damn advantage! maybe not as big a deal as I think, but still a competitive advantage in a league that's all about parity.

I mean you have a winning team, best weather, privacy, and you get paid more.... so you have your own cap so to speak....BS

The league chopped the balls off teams like MTL and Toronto cap wise, and gave it to others. how long before other low or no tax states just start working towards Tampa's model.

I posted this in another thread:

There are tax treaties between countries and you get taxed differently in every different jurisdiction. The straight across "tax analysis" that they show in the media when it comes to signing is bologne. Take it from someone who has worked in tax, you would be surprised at the amount of tax credits and deductions available in these high tax areas (Ontario). There is a specific tax treaty that applies to athletes known as the jock tax (also applies to celebrities).

Another thing is the CRA may deem you a Canadian resident if it believes you have primary ties in the country (parents, spouse, place of dwelling, bank accounts etc) in which case you are to pay taxes on all world wide earned income including income earned in Florida for example).

Every single player and/or team employs a very smart tax accountant/tax lawyer who has already minimized all players tax burdens to the minimal possible. Its highly likely that taxes dont even make a large enough difference to be material in making decisions if you have a well educated agent.

That only income taxes...lets not forget property taxes and other levies.

Another misconception in Ontario atleast is that if you're in the highest tax bracket you pay taxes of 40 some odd %. That's not true you pay taxes in a tiered system which creates a marginal tax rate (a lot lower than 45% or whatever the number is this year)

It's not as simple as people try to make it sounds. There are so many things a good tax accountant does that makes half these "boogeyman" tax issues disappear.

Taxation for Tavares wouldn't have mattered because if he lives in Toronto in the summer he's considered a resident so he will pay tax on income earned in Tampa.

These players can also create holding corporations for their endorsements to never get taxed at the personal rate but rather the corporate rate (which is lower) and then pay themselves dividends out of those corporations (S.85-86 roll overs)

The media is lazy and doesn't want to look this all up for you.
 
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BallardEra

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Shea Weber out for an extended period due to knee surgery. That Subban trade just gets better and better as a leaf fan

Well, when your lead physician has been there since 1963 and looks like he should have maybe retired ages ago:

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Well, when your lead physician has been there since 1963 and looks like he should have maybe retired ages ago:

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My father actually knows about him, he said his grandfather knew him back in Saskatchewan! He's supposedly a really good doctor. :handclap:
 
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Superstar

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Shea Weber out for an extended period due to knee surgery. That Subban trade just gets better and better as a leaf fan

Shea Soft-As-Butter...and man, I like Weber...sucks for him.

Wow, when you think about it...Bergevin traded Subban, Sergachev and Galchenyuk for not even a #2 centre...holy mismanagement, Batman!
 

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Too bad Ottawa doesn't even own their 1st :P

You know, I keep forgetting about that even though I know this. And everytime I'm reminded they don't have their first I'm just like damn, that is brutal!

They really should have given up this years 1st.

That team is a mess. Anyone watch Dorion's post July 1st presser? Both his and Bergevin's pressers were just cringe worthy, both those teams have gone so far down the gutter it's honestly shocking.
 

Superstar

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EK to TB is bad news for the Leafs and Bruins. Hope he goes west or at least out of the division.

If Karlsson goes to TB, Yzerman has alot to juggle in the near future with his roster if he plans to sign him...if he makes the wrong moves by trading or letting go the wrong players, it will cost TB and weaken the team. It looks like Yzerman is gunning for the Cup this year because the Leafs will be perennial Cup contenders, and will become tougher and tougher to play against as our young core becomes more seasoned and battle tested. Yzerman sees a window of opportunity here, with teams in the East getting older, and a young Leafs team on the meteoric rise. The window for TB to win a Cup is wide open this coming season, and they will still have it tough with us this year as we've become a much stronger team with Tavares. Tavares is truly an elite franchise centre who's been underrated having played with mediocre Islander teams for all those years...Tavares is better than Stamkos and Kucherov...such a horse who takes care of his body...and I think he will take his game to the next level as a Maple Leaf...watching him play, he is strong along the boards, and extremely dangerous around the net...gifted with a natural instinct to score, and a tremendous vision, who also makes his teammates much better...and playing with Marner? Yum yum...we're in for a treat and so lucky to have him at his prime. And yeah, we also have another elite franchise centre in Matthews, along with his not too shabby wingman, Nylander.
 

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Put a pin in the parade plans, folks.
If Karlsson goes to Tampa, they're going to be nasty.
I wonder if it will push Dubas to get a proper RHD like Tanev or maybe break the bank for Trouba.
 

GoonieFace

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Put a pin in the parade plans, folks.
If Karlsson goes to Tampa, they're going to be nasty.
I wonder if it will push Dubas to get a proper RHD like Tanev or maybe break the bank for Trouba.

Why would Dubas panic, just like why would everyone panic when the Leafs signed Tavares. The game is played on ice not paper. Its teams that end up making stupid moves if GM's based their decisions on what other teams are doing
 

Brock Radunske

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Why would Dubas panic, just like why would everyone panic when the Leafs signed Tavares. The game is played on ice not paper. Its teams that end up making stupid moves if GM's based their decisions on what other teams are doing
I never said he'd panic.
 

Brock Radunske

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Breaking the bank for Trouba or trading for a broken Tanev would be a panic move
I don't think so.
Tanev is going to be a lot cheaper than people think, he's a local guy and fills a need.
Trouba is the exact dman the Leafs need to add to their core. He might be on the outs in Winnipeg and players like him are rarely available.
Providing neither are huge over-pays, I don't think they'd be panic moves. They'd be smart, long-term moves.
 

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The rumours are very TB centric but my brain still can't comprehend how the Sens seemingly can't find a solid trading partner that isn't in their own division. Like WTF man.

So unless all interested teams aren't willing to trade if it doesn't includes an EK contract extension, and unless EK has identified to Sens management that TB is the only interested team he's willing to sign an extension with (which royally Fs the Sens trading position), I can't see why they would entertain TB this much. And to hear that they're trying to pull in a third party to help facilitate the movement of players/cap and that the rumour third parties are all in the Eastern conference...how in the bloody hell does this make sense? Sens isn't in the position to offer much value to a third party. So what is TB willing to trade to Ottawa and a third party in their own conference in order to make space for EK? If I were a GM in the conference, I would have to be getting back a REALLY good player or prospect if I'm making a deal that I know will make the conference rival even stronger than they already are.

I just want it to be over with them so we can talk about the outcome instead, lol.
 

IBeL34f

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The rumours are very TB centric but my brain still can't comprehend how the Sens seemingly can't find a solid trading partner that isn't in their own division. Like WTF man.

So unless all interested teams aren't willing to trade if it doesn't includes an EK contract extension, and unless EK has identified to Sens management that TB is the only interested team he's willing to sign an extension with (which royally Fs the Sens trading position), I can't see why they would entertain TB this much. And to hear that they're trying to pull in a third party to help facilitate the movement of players/cap and that the rumour third parties are all in the Eastern conference...how in the bloody hell does this make sense? Sens isn't in the position to offer much value to a third party. So what is TB willing to trade to Ottawa and a third party in their own conference in order to make space for EK? If I were a GM in the conference, I would have to be getting back a REALLY good player or prospect if I'm making a deal that I know will make the conference rival even stronger than they already are.

I just want it to be over with them so we can talk about the outcome instead, lol.
I'm hoping all of this chatter about Tampa is just to get a team like Dallas or Vegas to step up - Not sure Dorion is that shrewd, though
 

Daisy Jane

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I'm hoping all of this chatter about Tampa is just to get a team like Dallas or Vegas to step up - Not sure Dorion is that shrewd, though


it just cracks me up he couldn't trade Hofffman in the division, but he's okay with the better player? Okay there Pierre.

honestly, tampa having Karlsson doesn't freak me out as much as it others. we can handle our own v. Tampa with or without Karlsson.
 

IBeL34f

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it just cracks me up he couldn't trade Hofffman in the division, but he's okay with the better player? Okay there Pierre.

honestly, tampa having Karlsson doesn't freak me out as much as it others. we can handle our own v. Tampa with or without Karlsson.
At the same time, with how bad Ottawa will likely be for the foreseeable future, it makes sense to make sure you get every possible bit of value you can out of your franchise player - Placing limitations on your return (whether it be by refusing to trade to certain teams, or trying to include a cap-dump in the deal) when moving a prime piece like Karlsson is pure idiocy.

Trading Hoffman out of Division, only for San Jose to send him back into the Division while getting a better return than Ottawa did in the first place, was quite the fiasco.
 

Daisy Jane

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At the same time, with how bad Ottawa will likely be for the foreseeable future, it makes sense to make sure you get every possible bit of value you can out of your franchise player - Placing limitations on your return (whether it be by refusing to trade to certain teams, or trying to include a cap-dump in the deal) when moving a prime piece like Karlsson is pure idiocy.

Trading Hoffman out of Division, only for San Jose to send him back into the Division while getting a better return than Ottawa did in the first place, was quite the fiasco.


i never believed in this nonsense you couldn't/shouldn't trade with division rivals. and i agree.
honestly, if I was Dorion, I'd be v. firm on the package, and it wouldn't even include picks. it would have to be roster players and prospects. picks from Tampa are useless.
 
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