sabremike
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If Chicago beats the Habs and it gets CBJ into the playoffs they've officially paid their debt to the hockey gods right?
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HisIceness
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Will at the very least tie the Hurricanes decade of darkness drought.
I don't hate the Red Wings but seeing an O6 team go through the exact same drought doesn't hurt my feelings either.
On another note, the "Yzerplan" has what, maybe one more year before a potential change is made?
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I do hate the Red Wings and find Yzerman quite overrated, so this is just gosh darned delightful.
FlyingSquirrels
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That Jake Walman trade alone was a fireable offense. So I agree!!
Not to mention a litany of horrendous vet signings and poor drafting.
Big Daddy Cane
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We (fans in general) underestimate the time horizon of a rebuild in the NHL. A 9 year playoff drought is not extraordinary.
Some post-lockout timelines:
Buffalo - 14 consecutive misses (11/12 -)
Carolina - 9 consecutive (09/10 - 17/18)
Ottawa - 7 consecutive (17/18 - 23/24)
Anaheim - 7 consecutive (19/20 -)
San Jose - 7 consecutive (19/20 -)
Edmonton - 12 misses out of 13 attempts (06/07 - 15/16, 17/18 - 18/19)
Toronto - 10 out of 11 (05/06 - 11/12, 13/14 - 15/16)
New Jersey - 9 out of 10 (12/13 - 16/17, 18/19 - 21/22)
Florida - 12 out of 14 (05/06 - 10/11, 12/13 - 14/15, 16/17 - 18/19)
Columbus - 9 out of 11 (05/06 - 07/08, 09/10 - 12/13, 14/15 - 15/16)
Expansion will make things even more painful, unless the league increases the playoff field.
Some post-lockout timelines:
Buffalo - 14 consecutive misses (11/12 -)
Carolina - 9 consecutive (09/10 - 17/18)
Ottawa - 7 consecutive (17/18 - 23/24)
Anaheim - 7 consecutive (19/20 -)
San Jose - 7 consecutive (19/20 -)
Edmonton - 12 misses out of 13 attempts (06/07 - 15/16, 17/18 - 18/19)
Toronto - 10 out of 11 (05/06 - 11/12, 13/14 - 15/16)
New Jersey - 9 out of 10 (12/13 - 16/17, 18/19 - 21/22)
Florida - 12 out of 14 (05/06 - 10/11, 12/13 - 14/15, 16/17 - 18/19)
Columbus - 9 out of 11 (05/06 - 07/08, 09/10 - 12/13, 14/15 - 15/16)
Expansion will make things even more painful, unless the league increases the playoff field.
CandyCanes
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Wow didn’t realize it’s been that long of a drought for them. How the mighty have fallen. Before this streak, it was 25 years in the playoffs in a row
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What goes up must come down
Spinning wheel got to go 'round
Spinning wheel got to go 'round
sabremike
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TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
Stars, Caps, and Blues took a different, more pro-scouting heavy approach, and we'll see if it translates to a Cup one day.
Clown ass organization
It's far less "rebuilds take a long time" and far more "full teardown rebuilds through the draft simply do not work and never actually have".
Unless you get a transformative player in the top 2 or 3 of the draft, the draft provides a pretty even distribution of talent. Being good at scouting is far more important than draft position. You cannot get a competitive advantage over other teams by sitting and waiting for the draft to bail you out unless you get extraordinarily lucky or pick a generational talent with the top pick or two.
The draft allows you to tread water. If you start with a bad team, you'll stay with a bad team. In order to move up in a closed system, somebody else has to move down, and the draft is deliberately designed to make talent distribution essentially equal, with only a slight bias towards the struggling teams. The draft adds talent at a more or less equal rate for every team, replacing the talent that is aging out of the league at more or less an equal rate for every team.
You need to exploit things other teams are not. You need to extract more value out of trades than the other guy. You need to always be adding talent that other teams can't, Free Agency being the easiest way to do that, and that's where Buffalo is really, really, really screwed. Players do not respect that organization or the people running it. And I don't think the Eichel saga went unnoticed by players who want the right to protect their own health and career. Without a total change of at least management and ideally ownership, I don't think players will ever respect that organization and it will remain an absolute last resort for players. So that leaves them with getting lucky in the draft or finding market inefficiencies in trades- and while Adams was a good soldier on the ice for us, he was picked as GM because he would be loyal to ownership and not to be a creative or independent thinker.
Remember what worked for us? We signed a bunch of guys and traded a bunch of others. In one offseason! Nearly half the team turned over between the 2018 and 2019 teams. It wasn't a long process of building through the draft. We certainly got some good players through the draft, *but so did other teams*, something that Francis and his defenders have never quite understood. What changed the course was taking risks and making aggressive moves. And we've continued to do that.
Also, long unbroken streaks like this *are* extraordinary. The 9 straight years out of the playoffs was an NHL record when we did it. The Oilers beat that shortly after, thank god for us, and then Buffalo blew the record out of the water, but it was still an extremely long streak. And without 2009, it would have been 12. They're becoming more common because the NHL doesn't have 16 teams out of 21 making the playoffs any more (still blows my mind that that existed), but even in the current league, you'd expect to occasionally stumble into the playoffs in a year where everything goes well, just as the Rangers managed to miss with mostly the same roster that won the President's Trophy last year.
Big Daddy Cane
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I don’t know that you can say that they don’t work after watching two teams that did exactly that 15 years ago face off for the last Stanley Cup. Tkachuk (direct product of Huberdeau)/Barkov/Ekblad vs Draisaitl/McDavid.
It’s just not a guarantee of future success, as we have seen with Buffalo. Knowing the risk, I’d still advocate for that over what Calgary is doing.
In defense of the Red Wings, that was an organization that didn’t make a voluntary choice to start from scratch. Their core players aged out. There was no value to extract. Late 2010s Detroit was a step above a pre-Vegas expansion team in organizational talent. Expectation should reflect that.
It’s just not a guarantee of future success, as we have seen with Buffalo. Knowing the risk, I’d still advocate for that over what Calgary is doing.
In defense of the Red Wings, that was an organization that didn’t make a voluntary choice to start from scratch. Their core players aged out. There was no value to extract. Late 2010s Detroit was a step above a pre-Vegas expansion team in organizational talent. Expectation should reflect that.
Derailed75
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I won't discount what he says or feels but remember much like Haula he left Raleigh and felt he wasn't treated right. Everybody else that has been through the Canes Org only complains about contract negotiations not how they are treated as people
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Eh, as far as Carolina goes, he simply wasn't happy that he signed a 4-year deal, then was traded after one season (though I believe he had shoulder surgery that played into that decision). And then he came back to Carolina a few years later on a PTO (which turned into a new contract), but wound up as a 6/7 defenseman and wasn't happy with that either
Derailed75
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At a time when the Canes by far had the best D core in the league.
HisIceness
This is Hurricanes Hockey
I do feel for CdH, he's not going to be in the league much longer and he's playing for a contract next year.
HisIceness
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OG
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CBJ would be locked in a decent spot if they weren't fighting an uphill battle with their own 5 million dollar goalie. Elvis is an absolute catastrophe. That team can score goals. Surprisingly, honestly, given their off-season. All it takes for them is someone average in net.
Really is likely too little too late, but that team deserves hope.
Really is likely too little too late, but that team deserves hope.
Stickpucker
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The Rangers acquired DeHann at the deadline. He played in their first three games after the deadline (which, I believe, they won all 3). He was then healthy scratched for every game afterwards. And he’s (arguably) a much better defenseman than a lot of the defensemen they decided to play ahead of him. So he’s not happy with how they’ve treated him, which seems to be a common refrain from Ranger players this year.
Also, for those interested, Guenztal scored his 40th goal today.
sabremike
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Borsig
Become ungovernable.
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While he does suck, they were in a playoff spot on March 11 and in their next 12 games, they were shut out five (5!!!) times and scored two or fewer another two games. That really hurt their chances as well.
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For this upcoming draft, McKenna looks like the real deal.
And just in time for Pittsburgh to draft another generational talent. How…fun…
And just in time for Pittsburgh to draft another generational talent. How…fun…
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He's had an amazing year consider he still isn't draft eligible. This goal yesterday was pretty sick.
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