Around the League 44: The Three Thousand Mile Final

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Fun facts from the game:

Broberg is the first Edmonton lottery pick to score a goal this series.

If Edmonton loses, perry would lose in his fourth straight SCF appearance in a 5 year period with 4 different teams.

On Dallas who lost to TB
On Montreal who lost to TB
On TB who lost to Colorado
Break from SCF
On Edm who may lose to Florida

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Fun facts from the game:

Broberg is the first Edmonton lottery pick to score a goal this series.

If Edmonton loses, perry would lose in his fourth straight SCF appearance in a 5 year period with 4 different teams.

On Dallas who lost to TB
On Montreal who lost to TB
On TB who lost to Colorado
Break from SCF
On Edm who may lose to Florida

That’s some Inverse Square Hossa.

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BTW… I have a heretical thought. While Utah Hockey Club is a European team name in the worst meaning possible (just misses sponsor name honestly…)

I like those jerseys. But I am the guy who didn’t like Yotes Kachina jersey aesthetically.

I do appreciate the symbolism, I just prefer simplistic jerseys.

 

[Lempo]

Is that black or a deep navy?

Ps….never mind, didn’t see the colors listed in the tweet.

Yes but's that only the entry point to the complexities of the issue:

"Black Rock is a dark bright shade of Blue. It belongs to the color family Dark Blue, and it has low lightness and high saturation. Black Rock is a warm color."

Black Rock Color | ArtyClick

Black Rock is a dark bright shade of Blue. It belongs to the Dark Blue color family, and it has low lightness and high saturation. Black Rock is a cool color.

colors.artyclick.com

And it's anyone's guess whether "rock black" is the same as black rock.

I as a person with Ultima 7 history obviously have my own hang-ups here.

 

[Tryamw]

Let it be known that the guy ESPN/ABC has calling the SCF was not aware a team who ices the puck can't call a time out.

It'd be far easier to list the things they do know about hockey

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

It'd be far easier to list the things they do know about hockey

I’d be surprised if they knew you can’t change after icing.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

If Edmonton loses, perry would lose in his fourth straight SCF appearance in a 5 year period with 4 different teams.

Nature is healing

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Edmonton’s off season may be crazier than ours

 

[WreckingCrew]

Fun facts from the game:

Broberg is the first Edmonton lottery pick to score a goal this series.

If Edmonton loses, perry would lose in his fourth straight SCF appearance in a 5 year period with 4 different teams.

On Dallas who lost to TB
On Montreal who lost to TB
On TB who lost to Colorado
Break from SCF
On Edm who may lose to Florida

Dude wants so bad to be Haula, but with SCF instead of Canes

 

[Blueline Bomber]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801458915852620059

 

[Blueline Bomber]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801431234565869912

Also, example #1 of why the NHL doesn't want player contracts to be public. Because...Yikes...

 

[Lempo]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801458915852620059

To make a run for the Stanley Cup, you gotta be bold.

Also: bad, wiser, hard, tough, stronger, cool, calm, and stay together.

 

[bleedgreen]

Yes but's that only the entry point to the complexities of the issue:

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"Black Rock is a dark bright shade of Blue. It belongs to the color family Dark Blue, and it has low lightness and high saturation. Black Rock is a warm color."

Black Rock Color | ArtyClick

Black Rock is a dark bright shade of Blue. It belongs to the Dark Blue color family, and it has low lightness and high saturation. Black Rock is a cool color.

colors.artyclick.com

And it's anyone's guess whether "rock black" is the same as black rock.

I as a person with Ultima 7 history obviously have my own hang-ups here.

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Well when I first looked at it I thought it was a shade of blue so until proven otherwise it’s going to be a “really dark bluey-ish” color in my mind. Which I like, and the black rock you’ve shown here is mesmerizing.

I had to look up Ultima 7 though, and despite it being right up my alley I had no idea about it.

 

[AD Skinner]

It’s like how much more black could it be? And the answer is none. None more black

 

[SlavinAway]

It’s like how much more black could it be? And the answer is none. None more black

Vantablack?

 

[HisIceness]

To make a run for the Stanley Cup, you gotta be bold.

Also: bad, wiser, hard, tough, stronger, cool, calm, and stay together.

They gotta herald what they mommas said, read the books their father's read, try to solve the puzzles in their own sweet time.

 

[DaveG]

This Panthers team will get shit on just as much as 04 Tampa, 06 Carolina and 07 Anaheim did because they’re a southern market going to beat a Canadian team.

Beat me to it. Only reason that Tampa team doesn't get shit on as much is because they already proved it. And even then there's the Kucherov LTIR situation

 

[chaz4hockey]

It's alway hindsight with guys like Forsling. Vancouver drafted him and traded him to the Blackhawks. Blackhawks basically dumped him to Carolina. Canes waived him and he went to Florida.

He was a late bloomer that 3 NHL teams passed on. It happens.

Martin St. Louis was undrafted. Calgary had him and let him go. He was a so-so player in TB until at the age of 27, he took off.

Every team misses on players and also hits on players (Aho, Slavin, Pesce, etc..). Nobody bats 1000

Sure, that's like saying the sky in Carolina is blue. If you miss on 3rd pair d-men or 3rd or 4th liners that's an acceptable part of business (btw: Aho, Slavin and Pesce were not found by the Borg).

What you shouldn't do is to strike out on top of league players (Borg are supposed to be the smartest collaborative team in the room and not miss out of this type of player).

Yes, this was a big miss. We would have another top level shutdown defensemen that also isn't afraid to be physical and who signs for a team friendly deal and who wouldn't be playing for Florida. Borg have done a number of things right but I'll take Florida's and Dallas' front office capability and results over Carolina's right now.

Florida's entire roster is a treasure trove of late-blooming players. Only three guys on that team were drafted by them: Barkov, Ekblad, and Lundell. Verhaeghe bounced around a bit and was actually non-tendered before he found a permanent home. Sam Bennett teetered around the draft bust territory before the Cats took a chance on him. Reinhart wasn't a bust by any means but he didn't really become this ultra-valuable, must-have guy until he went to Florida. Montour was traded to them for a measly 3rd round pick.

Their front office is gold and Maurice has done a great job.....

 

[MinJaBen]

Sure, that's like saying the sky in Carolina is blue. If you miss on 3rd pair d-men or 3rd or 4th liners that's an acceptable part of business (btw: Aho, Slavin and Pesce were not found by the Borg).

What you shouldn't do is to strike out on top of league players (Borg are supposed to be the smartest collaborative team in the room and not miss out of this type of player).

Yes, this was a big miss. We would have another top level shutdown defensemen that also isn't afraid to be physical and who signs for a team friendly deal and who wouldn't be playing for Florida. Borg have done a number of things right but I'll take Florida's and Dallas' front office capability and results over Carolina's right now.


Their front office is gold and Maurice has done a great job.....

What success has Dallas had that you envy? Sure, their roster looks good, but ours has looked good as well. I think it is a push between those two clubs. Florida? Yeah, they have pushed all the right buttons when it looked like they should stop pushing and they are a game away from what we want.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Sure, that's like saying the sky in Carolina is blue. If you miss on 3rd pair d-men or 3rd or 4th liners that's an acceptable part of business (btw: Aho, Slavin and Pesce were not found by the Borg).

What you shouldn't do is to strike out on top of league players (Borg are supposed to be the smartest collaborative team in the room and not miss out of this type of player).

Yes, this was a big miss. We would have another top level shutdown defensemen that also isn't afraid to be physical and who signs for a team friendly deal and who wouldn't be playing for Florida. Borg have done a number of things right but I'll take Florida's and Dallas' front office capability and results over Carolina's right now.


Their front office is gold and Maurice has done a great job.....

I highly doubt even Florida thought they were getting more than the depth guy we lost. This is just dumb. Shit happens.

 

[cptjeff]

Forsling was a huge f***ing miss, there's no way around it. That was a year where we had Fleury being bad and Gardiner being terrible, Hamilton injured for an extended period, TvR out for a while- and we never once called him up to get a real look. We just let him stew in the AHL even though there was a ton of opportunity and numerous injured and struggling defensemen. Pesce and Slavin were considered AHL depth until they came up and wowed as well- but that could only happen because we had injuries to far crappier D-men.

Quite frankly, this is an area where not just the Canes, but a lot of NHL teams could do a lot better. Jobs are just far too safe for guys with that 1st round pedigree or who the front office gave a stupid contract to. You need to rotate guys in. Reward AHL players and see what they've got in their cup of coffee in the NHL, because sometimes the answer is a young guy who has never been given a fair chance.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Forsling was a huge f***ing miss, there's no way around it. That was a year where we had Fleury being bad and Gardiner being terrible, Hamilton injured for an extended period, TvR out for a while- and we never once called him up to get a real look. We just let him stew in the AHL even though there was a ton of opportunity and numerous injured and struggling defensemen. Pesce and Slavin were considered AHL depth until they came up and wowed as well- but that could only happen because we had injuries to far crappier D-men.

Quite frankly, this is an area where not just the Canes, but a lot of NHL teams could do a lot better. Jobs are just far too safe for guys with that 1st round pedigree or who the front office gave a stupid contract to. You need to rotate guys in. Reward AHL players and see what they've got in their cup of coffee in the NHL, because sometimes the answer is a young guy who has never been given a fair chance.

Forsling wasn’t even that spectacular in the ahl. Lets not turn a late bloomer into some narrative about 1st rounders. If there was a team who didn’t care about 1st rounders it would be the Canes and 1st rounders drafted by GMRF. DW an Co only traded away a ton of players GMRF drafted to include 1st rounders but now we care about bean and fleury all of a sudden?

 

[cptjeff]

Forsling wasn’t even that spectacular in the ahl. Lets not turn a late bloomer into some narrative about 1st rounders. If there was a team who didn’t care about 1st rounders it would be the Canes and 1st rounders drafted by GMRF. DW an Co only traded away a ton of players GMRF drafted to include 1st rounders but now we care about bean and fleury all of a sudden?

Defensive players rarely look "spectacular" anywhere. The defensemen who look "spectacular" in the minors are the flashy offensive specialists. But that's not his game. He put up good defensive numbers and decent offensive numbers.

It was a miss, and a bad one. You don't to pretend it wasn't. We lost that one, and I hope our front office learned a lesson.

And yes, Fleury was absolutely still being given the treatment he was because the org had invested in him. They were also stubbornly trying to make Gardiner work.

 

[DaveG]

Forsling wasn’t even that spectacular in the ahl. Lets not turn a late bloomer into some narrative about 1st rounders. If there was a team who didn’t care about 1st rounders it would be the Canes and 1st rounders drafted by GMRF. DW an Co only traded away a ton of players GMRF drafted to include 1st rounders but now we care about bean and fleury all of a sudden?

Spectacular no? But still better than Fleury and an injured Gardner. We didn't really have a standout dman in the pipeline back then other than Bean and that f***ing cake eater that forced his way to the Rangers.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Spectacular no? But still better than Fleury and an injured Gardner. We didn't really have a standout dman in the pipeline back then other than Bean and that f***ing cake eater that forced his way to the Rangers.

I like to think that Forsling would have been absolutely terrible in a man-to-man defensive scheme and therefore we really didn't miss out on anything with him...

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Defensive players rarely look "spectacular" anywhere. The defensemen who look "spectacular" in the minors are the flashy offensive specialists. But that's not his game. He put up good defensive numbers and decent offensive numbers.

It was a miss, and a bad one. You don't to pretend it wasn't. We lost that one, and I hope our front office learned a lesson.

And yes, Fleury was absolutely still being given the treatment he was because the org had invested in him. They were also stubbornly trying to make Gardiner work.

we had just signed Gardiner, so of course we are going to play him. that is just silly.

again we are ignoring that the FO wouldnt care to placate Fleury because he was a 1st rounder. Maybe, just maybe, Fleury had better tools than Forsling did at that point. He did. Forsling didnt bring much of anything great to the table during his time at camp or at the AHL level. hilarious to think a NHL staff would overlook a better player because another player was a 1st rounder. Especially one the current regime didnt draft. that is pretty far out there.

dont buy the fact that defenders dont look spectacular anywhere argument. how would any be tops of their respective league, award winners, or high draft picks?