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This is absolutely blowing up in Vancouver right now by the way.
Looks like Pettersson is available
Allvin went on blast basically, Not sure what you guys would offer, or how seriously you would be interested, He would obviously need a Haul.
But, just thought I would share and get your guys opinions!
Not everyday a 90+ Center with great Defensive abilities becomes available.

Thoughts?
 

SoupNazi

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This is absolutely blowing up in Vancouver right now by the way.
Looks like Pettersson is available
Allvin went on blast basically, Not sure what you guys would offer, or how seriously you would be interested, He would obviously need a Haul.
But, just thought I would share and get your guys opinions!
Not everyday a 90+ Center with great Defensive abilities becomes available.

Thoughts?
I’m in. Sorry this has become a gong show for you guys.
 

LongTimeDRWF

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This is absolutely blowing up in Vancouver right now by the way.
Looks like Pettersson is available
Allvin went on blast basically, Not sure what you guys would offer, or how seriously you would be interested, He would obviously need a Haul.
But, just thought I would share and get your guys opinions!
Not everyday a 90+ Center with great Defensive abilities becomes available.

Thoughts?
Would love to say we could could easily get something done, but I suspect Allvin will want some immediate help coming back, just not futures.

The wings would have to clear around $9.5M in cap to do something real soon, with the amount of 10-team NTC on the seasoned wings centers (Compher and Copp) that would eat a sizeable chunk of the $9.5M likely make it hard (most players on an American team would list 7 Canadian and 3 SW US teams on the their 10) and the Nuks at the 23 roster limit with only 1 waivable player, it would be an underwhelming haul from a Nuks fan viewpoint I am sure.

By the TDL there will be more options, but I suspect Allvin will want to do something sooner, what would be a suggested haul?
 
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The Zermanator

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This is absolutely blowing up in Vancouver right now by the way.
Looks like Pettersson is available
Allvin went on blast basically, Not sure what you guys would offer, or how seriously you would be interested, He would obviously need a Haul.
But, just thought I would share and get your guys opinions!
Not everyday a 90+ Center with great Defensive abilities becomes available.

Thoughts?
I'm thinking something like:

MBN
One of Danielson/Kasper
Augustine
2025 & 2026 1st round picks
One or two of whichever B-level prospects Vancouver wants (Wallinder, Mazur, etc.)

I understand that Vancouver's position would probably be one of Seider/Edvinsson/ASP, but I'd sooner pass on Pettersson than lose any of those guys because Detroit's rebuild is founded on the backend. And that package above is not exactly loose change either, though Detroit would need to make another couple moves to clear the cap space for Pettersson.
 
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OgeeOgelthorpe

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This is absolutely blowing up in Vancouver right now by the way.
Looks like Pettersson is available
Allvin went on blast basically, Not sure what you guys would offer, or how seriously you would be interested, He would obviously need a Haul.
But, just thought I would share and get your guys opinions!
Not everyday a 90+ Center with great Defensive abilities becomes available.

Thoughts?

Unlikely trade partners. Vancouver would want someone that can be an impact player now. Detroit really can’t trade the few impact players they have.

Maybe Detroit could trade their 1st plus a prospect for Petey?

I'm thinking something like:

MBN
One of Danielson/Kasper
Augustine
2025 & 2026 1st round picks
One or two of whichever B-level prospects Vancouver wants (Wallinder, Mazur, etc.)

I understand that Vancouver's position would probably be one of Seider/Edvinsson/ASP, but I'd sooner pass on Pettersson than lose any of those guys because Detroit's rebuild is founded on the backend. And that package above is not exactly loose change either, though Detroit would need to make another couple moves to clear the cap space for Pettersson.

This is insane.

Gentle reminder that this isn’t EASports NHL 25.
Joe Thornton was traded for Wayne Primeau, Brad Stuart and Marco Sturm.
 

LongTimeDRWF

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Unlikely trade partners. Vancouver would want someone that can be an impact player now. Detroit really can’t trade the few impact players they have.

Maybe Detroit could trade their 1st plus a prospect for Petey?



This is insane.

Gentle reminder that this isn’t EASports NHL 25.
Joe Thornton was traded for Wayne Primeau, Brad Stuart and Marco Sturm.
Since the Nuks roster is pretty much jammed up (at 23 and only 1 waiver exempt) and they want someone now, what if the wings get and ship Cozens and a pick or prospect to the Nuks? (I am assuming Petterson would decline a trade to the Sabres but might be OK reuniting with Raymond and Breggren et el)
 

The Zermanator

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Unlikely trade partners. Vancouver would want someone that can be an impact player now. Detroit really can’t trade the few impact players they have.

Maybe Detroit could trade their 1st plus a prospect for Petey?



This is insane.

Gentle reminder that this isn’t EASports NHL 25.
Joe Thornton was traded for Wayne Primeau, Brad Stuart and Marco Sturm.
Insane in what way? Explain. Because if you think Pettersson's going for a song, then you're sorely mistaken. Nothwithstanding some random trade from 20 years ago, not sure why you even think that reflects the current trade market anyway. A player like Pettersson becomes available for trade once in a blue moon. So unless a substantial package is made you're not getting him, period.

All of those pieces are more easily replaceable than an elite 1C, which Pettersson is. While costly, that trade leaves the team with an elite 1-2 punch down the middle (really an elite 1-2-3 punch when you consider the remainder of Kasper/Danielson will be 3C), an elite winger, what could be the best top 3 in the league on the backend in a few years, and a great goalie. On top of all the other prospects who could turn into something, such as Buchelnikov, Plante, LDN, etc. That's a core you can build a championship-calibre roster around.

The odds of either of those 1st rounders turning into an elite 1C are very unlikely, likewise with Kasper or Danielson. Wingers like MBN are ultimately replaceable, and we don't need two great goalies. It's a lot to give up, but it resolves the biggest question mark remaining for the rebuild.
 

Lazlo Hollyfeld

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Unlikely trade partners. Vancouver would want someone that can be an impact player now. Detroit really can’t trade the few impact players they have.

Maybe Detroit could trade their 1st plus a prospect for Petey?



This is insane.

Gentle reminder that this isn’t EASports NHL 25.
Joe Thornton was traded for Wayne Primeau, Brad Stuart and Marco Sturm.

Agreed.

The Canucks aren't rebuilding so it's not like they're gonna take a bunch of picks and some prospects with potential. They're gonna want good players. And it's hard to see how the Wings give that up without ending up ultimately worse or at best right where they started before the trade.
 
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AlwaysSunnyInDetroit

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valuable assets i would be willing to part with for pettersson:

debrincat
danielson
augustine
brandsegg-nygard
any picks from 2026 or 2027

middling assets i would be willing to part with for pettersson:
rasmussen
berggren
veleno
kane
lyon
chiarot
johansson
any prospects not named asp, cossa, buchelnikov

cap dumps i would insist vancouver takes at least one of to make cap work
compher
tarasenko
gustafsson
holl
husso
 

Winger98

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This is absolutely blowing up in Vancouver right now by the way.
Looks like Pettersson is available
Allvin went on blast basically, Not sure what you guys would offer, or how seriously you would be interested, He would obviously need a Haul.
But, just thought I would share and get your guys opinions!
Not everyday a 90+ Center with great Defensive abilities becomes available.

Thoughts?

Honestly, the only thing I think would really interest you guys is something around Larkin unless the Nucks would want futures to flip in another deal.
 

jkutswings

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Honestly, the only thing I think would really interest you guys is something around Larkin unless the Nucks would want futures to flip in another deal.
I'm wondering if a 3 team deal might be better, assuming there's anybody out there who has a center for Vancouver and could use Detroit's prospects and picks. But that would likely happen at the deadline once more teams are ready to sell.
 

Oddbob

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I'm thinking something like:

MBN
One of Danielson/Kasper
Augustine
2025 & 2026 1st round picks
One or two of whichever B-level prospects Vancouver wants (Wallinder, Mazur, etc.)

I understand that Vancouver's position would probably be one of Seider/Edvinsson/ASP, but I'd sooner pass on Pettersson than lose any of those guys because Detroit's rebuild is founded on the backend. And that package above is not exactly loose change either, though Detroit would need to make another couple moves to clear the cap space for Pettersson.

Show me any player in recent times that got this much for them.

That is 4 1st rounders, and high 2nd rounder and more.

Insane in what way? Explain. Because if you think Pettersson's going for a song, then you're sorely mistaken. Nothwithstanding some random trade from 20 years ago, not sure why you even think that reflects the current trade market anyway. A player like Pettersson becomes available for trade once in a blue moon. So unless a substantial package is made you're not getting him, period.

All of those pieces are more easily replaceable than an elite 1C, which Pettersson is. While costly, that trade leaves the team with an elite 1-2 punch down the middle (really an elite 1-2-3 punch when you consider the remainder of Kasper/Danielson will be 3C), an elite winger, what could be the best top 3 in the league on the backend in a few years, and a great goalie. On top of all the other prospects who could turn into something, such as Buchelnikov, Plante, LDN, etc. That's a core you can build a championship-calibre roster around.

The odds of either of those 1st rounders turning into an elite 1C are very unlikely, likewise with Kasper or Danielson. Wingers like MBN are ultimately replaceable, and we don't need two great goalies. It's a lot to give up, but it resolves the biggest question mark remaining for the rebuild.

It is insane. What player has gotten 5-6 high end assets any time recently. Prices are always way less than HF makes them out to be.
 
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HisNoodliness

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Vancouver's also not trading their 26 year old franchise Center that is locked up for the next 6 years for Holl,Veleno, and a 2nd like the other half of this forum wants though
Look if we can't rob teams of their franchise talents for spare parts that we're happy to be rid of anyway, then we don't want them! To get these deals we should gaslight and lie to other unknown random internet people with unabashed sophism, devaluing their pieces while pumping up ours, and ultimately tricking our idiotic adversaries into agreeing to lopsided trades-oh the self satisfaction! On the rare and outlandish occasion that an NHL GM foolishly makes a trade that even somewhat resembles our proposal, we will victoriously remind everyone about it in every post in perpetuity as justification for our obviously unfair trade proposals. Get on board dude
 
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JediOrderPizza

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Sens have lost 4 out of their last 5. So four points back.

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The Zermanator

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Show me any player in recent times that got this much for them.

That is 4 1st rounders, and high 2nd rounder and more.



It is insane. What player has gotten 5-6 high end assets any time recently. Prices are always way less than HF makes them out to be.
There isn't an example. The reason being that players like Pettersson with term on their contracts don't get traded, period. If one becomes available, and they very rarely do (and most often on expiring contracts), then you have to pony up if you want them. The Wings have been bridesmaids too often in the past decade and a half, it's long past time they become the bride. Nothing insane about paying a big price to lock down an elite 1C for the foreseeable future. Especially considering it's been the one significant and vital piece that has eluded us so far in this rebuild. MBN, Augustine, Kasper/Danielson and the 1sts are unlikely to join hands and make a Power Rangers-like transformation into an elite 1C.

With that trade, our rebuild would no longer appear to hinge on one of Kasper/Danielson developing into a top 6 C, and the one that doesn't get traded would make a great 3C (seriously, Pettersson-Larkin-Kasper/Danielson is a hell of a top 3). Augustine is redundant with Cossa, you don't need 2 high-end goalies. And MBN plus two likely mid-late 1sts are ultimately replaceable.

The closest recent-ish comparable I can find was Ryan O'Reilly, a far lesser player than Pettersson who was older and on the back half of his career, going for two NHL roster players in Berglund and Sobotka, Tage Thompson, a 1st rd pick, and a 2nd rd pick. And would you look at that, despite paying a big price St Louis ended up winning the Cup. Do you think they're regretting not having Thompson and that 1st round pick now? Paying the package I suggested similarly leaves Detroit in a better position now and going forward. The pieces we'd be giving up are far easier to acquire through other means than a player like Pettersson.

The people saying they'd offer Kasper plus a 1st are the ones who are detached from reality. May as well save your breath if you're going to offer that, you're not getting a young, elite 1C with term for a prospect and a mid-first (possibly a late 1st depending on how much Pettersson would improve the team). And I'd be willing to bet a lot of the people who would make such a joke of an offer will also fault Yzerman for not getting a 1C.

With the trade I proposed, we could be looking at this in a couple years:

Berggren-Pettersson-Raymond
Debrincat-Larkin-XXX
Rasmussen-Kasper/Danielson-XXX
Veleno-Compher-Motte

Edvinsson-Seider
XXX-ASP
Johansson-XXX

Cossa

The defensive XXXs could be filled internally by Wallinder, Buium, or Tuomisto. The forward XXXs could be filled internally by Buchelnikov, Mazur, LDN, Plante, Kiiskinen, Finnie, Lombardi, Becher, Soderblom. Anything else can be acquired relatively cheaply in trade or free agency.

I'd much rather be in that position than still having MBN, both Kasper and Danielson, Augustine, and those two 1sts and still scratching our heads wondering how the hell we'll ever get an elite 1C. Pettersson, Larkin, Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson, ASP, Cossa. That's a core you can build a championship contender out of.
 
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