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Jojalu said:
How amazing was that Monahan trade for Montreal.

Get the 16th pick this year for taking him.

Got the first round pick last year from Win for moving him. Still have a 4th in 2027.

Plus Monahan had a great year and Calgary probably makes the playoffs if he was still there.

Disaster for Cal. Incredible for Mon
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Sad to say the Habs probably leap frog the Leafs in the standings in 5 years.
 
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WillNy29 said:
I didn't mention our core once. I actually looked at it from a vacuum.

MacKinnon won a cup thanks to makar's conne smythe performance and Rantanen. Please do tell me more about 0-6 in game 7s MacKinnon who finally scored his first career game 7 playoff goal in an epic choke game. why didn't mention mackinnons playoff appearances between his rookie season and the season where get got 6 in 6?

as for your oilers question I am taking super duper star 1 and super duper star 2 McDavid and Draisatl over whatever garbage Chicago (weakest team in that year's playoffs) put out. That Chicago team was 38-30-8 they were objectively ass. Saad was washed up, who the hell is Kubalik? toes was like 2 seasons away from ending up in India. How would you take that top 6 over one with Leon and Mcdavid?

it's ok to call out other people's failures when they're objectively bad failures even if you have bad failures on your own team
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Again, you keep trying to make some point here about 0-6 in game 7s when he's made it out of the 1st round many times and has won a cup. Then try and say he needed a good teammate to do so like every player doesn't need another good player to win it all. Just makes our core look worse and worse every time someone tries to compare to other superstars. So he took longer to develop is an issue now? What's the problem since he's now a top 3 player in the entire league. Colorados core developed and didn't sign a top FA in their prime to speed up that process.

Because look at the names outside of McDavid and Drai. Obviously you take those 2 no matter what but it's just proving my point of the kind of garbage they had to carry for years.

Those things you claim as failures are just dumb expectations on a rookie. You said he's a failure before Makar because a 18 year old didn't carry his team to a cup win or a 19-21 year old didn't always carry his team to the playoffs without a lot of help from another elite player like Makar. Lets get real here.
 
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Menzinger said:
I have zero idea how anyone can be critical of the quality of play this postseason.

The league does some dumb scheduling but that's my only complaint aside from some officiating issues
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Yeah, though I feel like there has been more embellishment this year than in years past.

Hopefully I'm mistaken, or at the very least it's not a trend.
 
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Islanders going from 10 to 1 this is why you don't give up a first Rd pk.
Good thing is I thing we are done with giving up a ton of picks.

Goaltending set
Defence set

All we need is a 3rd line center that can slide up to 2 c
 
horner said:
Islanders going from 10 to 1 this is why you don't give up a first Rd pk.
Good thing is I thing we are done with giving up a ton of picks.

Goaltending set
Defence set

All we need is a 3rd line center that can slide up to 2 c
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We are done trading a ton of picks because we don't have any picks to trade.

This team better win something in the next 3 years or we are totally boned.
 
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SprDaVE said:
That's huge obviously for the Islanders but a huge jump for Utah. The Hawks in line for a Misa or Hagens will huge for them.
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A big boost for Utah. They could start making noise in the near future.
SprDaVE said:
They are going to throw a max contract at Marner if he makes it there.
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I agree. 7 years x 14M/year (gross) would take that to $98M total value. In order for us to outbid that dollar amount we'd need to be at 8 years at roughly $12.5M. Whether or not we will...let's just say Mitch has some control over that.
 
SprDaVE said:
That's huge obviously for the Islanders but a huge jump for Utah. Jumping into the top 5 to get Martone or Desnoyers... it's huge.

The Hawks in line for a Misa or Hagens to go with Bedard? That's going to be something to see.
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I really like this for San Jose. I think Dickinson is already a stud so now you get Misa or Hagens to go with Celebrini that’s a crazy 1-2 down the middle. I feel like every good dynasty has that 1-2 punch down the middle.

San Jose has so many damn good prospects, they are about to land the next available good RFA.

Filip Bysted, Igor Chyrnyshov, Quinton Musty, Leo Wallenius, Luca Cagnoni, shakir M!
 
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SprDaVE said:
That's huge obviously for the Islanders but a huge jump for Utah. Jumping into the top 5 to get Martone or Desnoyers... it's huge.

The Hawks in line for a Misa or Hagens to go with Bedard? That's going to be something to see.
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There is no way his nickname is not Destroyer, lol
 
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francis246 said:
I really like this for San Jose. I think Dickinson is already a stud so now you get Misa or Hagens to go with Celebrini that’s a crazy 1-2 down the middle. I feel like every good dynasty has that 1-2 punch down the middle.

San Jose has so many damn good prospects, they are about to land the next available good RFA.

Filip Bysted, Igor Chyrnyshov, Quinton Musty, Leo Wallenius, Luca Cagnoni, shakir M!
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Yeah and I keep forgetting they're the ones that grabbed Askarov as well.

He's been playing pretty well too.
 
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LeafEgo said:
Yeah and I keep forgetting they're the ones that grabbed Askarov as well.

He's been playing pretty well too.
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Forgot about him! They can hopefully make a splash at the draft trading picks and prospects for a defenseman. What if they go out and grab Dobson for example. Has he extended in New York?
 
LaPlante94 said:
Again, you keep trying to make some point here about 0-6 in game 7s when he's made it out of the 1st round many times and has won a cup. Then try and say he needed a good teammate to do so like every player doesn't need another good player to win it all. Just makes our core look worse and worse every time someone tries to compare to other superstars. So he took longer to develop is an issue now? What's the problem since he's now a top 3 player in the entire league. Colorados core developed and didn't sign a top FA in their prime to speed up that process.

Because look at the names outside of McDavid and Drai. Obviously you take those 2 no matter what but it's just proving my point of the kind of garbage they had to carry for years.

Those things you claim as failures are just dumb expectations on a rookie. You said he's a failure before Makar because a 18 year old didn't carry his team to a cup win or a 19-21 year old didn't always carry his team to the playoffs without a lot of help from another elite player like Makar. Lets get real here.
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yeah I judge all players by their records, mackinnon was a failure till maker helped him win a cup, he's not a failure anymore regardless of his awful game 7 record.

the leafs core is a bunch of failures.

ovechkin was a failure for like 15 years

Mcdavid and draisatl are failures because they've got no cups. every generational player in history got a cup before the age of 25...except for wonder boy in Edmonton so he's obviously a failure.
 
ruaware41 said:
- Avs didn't win with MacKinnon for several years
- Avs then won when Makar joined the team and played well.

Therefore MacKinnon should get no credit and still be seen as a choker even though he was an instrumental part of that cup run.

That's like saying Ovi shouldn't get credit for a cup because they didn't win until Kuznetsov joined.

MacKinnon has been ABOVE ppg in every single post season , save for two.. where he was ppg. Idc what his game 7 stats are that's a playoff performer.

To phrase it how you did to give no credit to MacKinnon for that cup comes across as dekes/zeke levels of cope
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hey man mackinnon's game 7 numbers aren't super inspiring. but like I said him having a cup means he didnt fail he just missed playoffs, and then got shat on by him former teammate in round 1 lol
 
WillNy29 said:
yeah I judge all players by their records, mackinnon was a failure till maker helped him win a cup, he's not a failure anymore regardless of his awful game 7 record.

the leafs core is a bunch of failures.

ovechkin was a failure for like 15 years

Mcdavid and draisatl are failures because they've got no cups. every generational player in history got a cup before the age of 25...except for wonder boy in Edmonton so he's obviously a failure.
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You keep repeating the same failure nonsense when he was 18 years old with a very young core nearing the end of their rebuild. Also acting like Mackinnon was some generational talent like a Crosby or McDavid coming out of Junior.

Again, those 2 do everything to win a cup but when they got guys like Kassian as their 4th best forward option you aren't gonna win a cup. Now if he had a much better supporting cast and couldn't win a cup then sure, call them failures, but that's just not the case.
 
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LaPlante94 said:
You keep repeating the same failure nonsense when he was 18 years old with a very young core nearing the end of their rebuild. Also acting like Mackinnon was some generational talent like a Crosby or McDavid coming out of Junior.

Again, those 2 do everything to win a cup but when they got guys like Kassian as their 4th best forward option you aren't gonna win a cup. Now if he had a much better supporting cast and couldn't win a cup then sure, call them failures, but that's just not the case.
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lol fellas I am obviously doing a bit I said I am being facetious...lol
 
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Burnie97 said:
Damn... I've heard of him and seen a bit but going to watch some highlights tomorrow.

That's a huge get for the islanders
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Is he really a Makar or a Hughes tier player though? Maybe, maybe not.

Isles already have a very good D group with Dobson, Pulock, Pelech and Romanov. Do they really need to add much to it with such an underwhelming forward group consisting of Barzal, Horvat and some other guys?

I'm them I see which top end forward talent is available and what it'll take. EP obviously but eh, might be a chance to ship out bad money, Zegras also but that pick is worth way more.

But if they could pull Point, Boldy, Thomas or Cooley? That's something to consider.
 
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WillNy29 said:
hey man mackinnon's game 7 numbers aren't super inspiring. but like I said him having a cup means he didnt fail he just missed playoffs, and then got shat on by him former teammate in round 1 lol
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So should we cherry pick one very particular stat to paint a narrative when his overall stats paint him as closer to one of the best playoff players than a choke artist? This reminds me of the Auston Matthew's 5v5 ice time adjusted production on partly cloudy Saturday nights in games beginning at 8pm narrative
 
ruaware41 said:
So should we cherry pick one very particular stat to paint a narrative when his overall stats paint him as closer to one of the best playoff players than a choke artist? This reminds me of the Auston Matthew's 5v5 ice time adjusted production on partly cloudy Saturday nights in games beginning at 8pm narrative
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I didnt bring up matthews or our team now. I am not painting any narrative I am drawing attention to certain superstars sucking in game 7s.
 
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