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ABasin

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NHL and hockey in general are going to lose fan in droves over the next decade from: being homophobic, sexual abuse cover ups, sexual assault cover up, racism, and the league being complicit in all of it in varying forms. This is before you even talk about the costs…

Curious to see what growth women’s hockey has in the years to come as someone with a young daughter.
I don't think the NHL will lose any appreciable fan support over any of that stuff at all. Much like other major sports, fans pretty quickly tune out the ugly stuff that's not directly related to the game itself.

The cost of attending games? That may factor in.
 

AvsGuy

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I'll never understand the amount of mental energy this stuff takes from people

Go to games if you want to. Don't go to games if you don't want to. I've gone to countless games with my gay buddies, and they've never felt more welcome or less welcome depending on the amount of rainbow tape being used in practice, they just love hockey and I'm happy to be there with them

Why is this even an issue, for either side, legitimately help me understand
 

UncleRisto

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Excuse me, the NHL is too busy focusing on the really important, completely not decisive topics to spend any time on The Gays

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Vk1ing

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I'm one of those that believe that players should have a choice to partake or not in non-hockey related affairs but I also think this decision from the NHL is absolutely stupid.
I'm fine with people being consistent but in alot of cases people are happy their side won.
 
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Metallo

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Every NHL team (sans Carolina) does.
1-Develop players
2-Win in the AHL

Carolina places a guy that would be in the ECHL in the AHL. It doesn't affect their NHL team or their AHL team.

Anyone that thinks this helps TBL to make the playoffs or prevents CAR to make them is out of whack.
 

henchman21

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1-Develop players
2-Win in the AHL

Carolina places a guy that would be in the ECHL in the AHL. It doesn't affect their NHL team or their AHL team.

Anyone that thinks this help TBL to make the playoffs or prevents CAR to make them is out of whack.
Carolina doesn't have an AHL team... that's the only reason it is sans. Now, all teams want to develop their players and is a top priority for them, but winning is a very important goal for the AHL teams too. Tampa getting a NHL caliber goalie in the AHL on Carolina's dime helps accomplish them winning for their AHL team. And with Vasi out for a while, Tampa was short in Syracuse on goalies with only Alnefelt.

This really has no impact on the NHL teams, but organizations clearly care about their AHL teams having success.
 
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Carolina doesn't have an AHL team... that's the only reason it is sans. Now, all teams want to develop their players and is a top priority for them, but winning is a very important goal for the AHL teams too. Tampa getting a NHL caliber goalie in the AHL on Carolina's dime helps accomplish them winning for their AHL team. And with Vasi out for a while, Tampa was short in Syracuse on goalies with only Alnefelt.

This really has no impact on the NHL teams, but organizations clearly care about their AHL teams having success.
A lot of NHL clubs think winning in the AHL is one of the first spells of development, especially making the postseason and why it increased from 16 to whatever number we have now. That's why AHL mercenaries are also so valued and keep getting jobs. They're all there to be cushions for an organisation's depth.
 
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Houston and Atlanta are the next expansion teams.
Yeah, the NHL wants its product in very high TV viewership locations. Which comes first though, Houston or Atlanta? I can't see the NHL doing both at the same time.

Then it falls back to Quebec City being the team for the Atlantic and SLC/Portland/San Diego (if those rumours of a new 18K+ building come true) as the team for the Pacific. NHL is 40 years behind, but the major four NA sports leagues really did not take advantage of Mexico City. Yes, it is far, but too much population not to take advantage of it. I guess the NHL would want Portland above all with SLC being the contingency plan for the Coyotes.
 

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Also NHL Draft might now be at the Vegas Sphere due to a prior commitment with T-Mobile Arena with some sort of Russian Ballet, Taylor Swift, or some shiznite like that.

That will be freakin' sick with the potential possibilities, but NHL will screw it up one way or another by making it cringy.
 
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expatriatedtexan

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Yeah, the NHL wants its product in very high TV viewership locations. Which comes first though, Houston or Atlanta? I can't see the NHL doing both at the same time.

Then it falls back to Quebec City being the team for the Atlantic and SLC/Portland/San Diego (if those rumours of a new 18K+ building come true) as the team for the Pacific. NHL is 40 years behind, but the major four NA sports leagues really did not take advantage of Mexico City. Yes, it is far, but too much population not to take advantage of it. I guess the NHL would want Portland above all with SLC being the contingency plan for the Coyotes.
Pretty sure when expansion hits it's going to be multiple teams. Gotta keep the conferences balanced even if the divisions aren't. Plus...the owners want all the fat stacks of non-hockey related revenue (expansion fees) they can get.
 

henchman21

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Yeah, the NHL wants its product in very high TV viewership locations. Which comes first though, Houston or Atlanta? I can't see the NHL doing both at the same time.

Then it falls back to Quebec City being the team for the Atlantic and SLC/Portland/San Diego (if those rumours of a new 18K+ building come true) as the team for the Pacific. NHL is 40 years behind, but the major four NA sports leagues really did not take advantage of Mexico City. Yes, it is far, but too much population not to take advantage of it. I guess the NHL would want Portland above all with SLC being the contingency plan for the Coyotes.
Easily Houston... that's a situation where you could accelerate to 2025, but 2026 most certainly possible. 26-27 makes the most sense with the CBA. Atlanta, they still have more red tape, tax issues, then construction and opening. On a the quickest timeline 2026 opening is possible, but really 2027 or 2028 are the more likely starting years.

Now if the NHL picks Houston to relocate Arizona, then SLC simply replaces Houston, but pushes the time back to 2029 or 2030 to coincide with the Olympics and facilities build out that'll happen for that.
 

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Atlanta, they still have more red tape, tax issues, then construction and opening.
One more question, is the area where they are building the arena in Atlanta a good location? I have never been to the state and see that it's on the outskirts of the city, so I am hoping that this isn't a Phoenix Coyotes in Glendale or Ottawa Senators in Kanata problem
 

henchman21

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One more question, is the area where they are building the arena in Atlanta a good location? I have never been to the state and see that it's on the outskirts of the city, so I am hoping that this isn't a Phoenix Coyotes in Glendale or Ottawa Senators in Kanata problem
Atlanta is weird... I don't think people realize just how geographically massive it is and just how bad the traffic is to get to one side or another. Let alone going into or out of downtown. Frankly, by modern standards, the city is a planning disaster and basically the picture of what city planners think all the mistakes of the 70s to 2000s were. I think no matter where you place an arena in Atlanta, you're basically keeping parts of the city from being able to easily get there. This isn't Denver where 15 minutes can pretty much get you to Ball Arena if traffic is good. 30-40 if it isn't. We're talking East Point (just southwest of downtown) is going to be 2 hours from this arena on a good day. That's not the best way to keep crowds up. But the Northern Suburbs... Alpharetta/Duluth/Cumming area is where the fans will be... if they can saturate that market and get buy in, it may not matter if you attract the Southern half of the city. There is a good amount of population there, it is growing fast, and there is a lot of money in the area. Predominately the wealth is on the northern and eastern side of the metro area. That's certainly not 100%, but it is far more developed on that side.
 
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John Mandalorian

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One more question, is the area where they are building the arena in Atlanta a good location? I have never been to the state and see that it's on the outskirts of the city, so I am hoping that this isn't a Phoenix Coyotes in Glendale or Ottawa Senators in Kanata problem

Guessing it’s in a similar area to where the baseball stadium is located.
 
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henchman21

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Guessing it’s in a similar area to where the baseball stadium is located.
Roughly double the distance from downtown and flip from west to east. Both are targeting the suburbs and more affluent areas of Atlanta though.

For a Denver comparison, we are talking Downtown Denver to Castle Rock sort of distances with more urban sprawl.
 
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henchman21

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The latter part was the similar area that I was referring to.
Yeah it is a more extreme version of that. Truist is still Atlanta proper technically, though basically Smyrna. This is a whole different level. As I edited above... kinda like the Avs being plopped in Castle Rock. Affluent suburb far away from downtown and over half the city. The East Point fans would be making a trip from like Brighton to Castle Rock to see games.
 

JLo217

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I don't think the NHL will lose any appreciable fan support over any of that stuff at all. Much like other major sports, fans pretty quickly tune out the ugly stuff that's not directly related to the game itself.

The cost of attending games? That may factor in.
I disagree. I think you'll see a fall off in fans in younger generations. It's happening in other sports, and I'd argue it's happening in hockey too. Colorado Springs has seen a decline in youth participation over the last 3-4 years.
 
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