GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 - Playoffs edition

[Dekes For Days]

That was my point.

Your point was to ask what the xgf of a player who you know doesn't generate xgf was? K...

 

[keonsbitterness]

Your point was to ask what the xgf of a player who you know doesn't generate xgf was? K...

No. Therefore my point whooshed right over your head.

 

[Dekes For Days]

No.

Well that's what you did... I said Vasilevsky was a goalie, not a defenseman, and you started asking what his xgf was for some reason, despite apparently knowing that xgf has nothing to do with goaltenders.

 

[Stephen]

But we are getting better, and we were able to add last year despite cap limitations from the stagnant cap. We just had the best season of this franchise's history, and even if you want to hyper focus in on the playoffs, we just had our best series against our best opponent - a team that's on their way to Cup finals to play for their 3rd consecutive cup.

Our two best players are just scratching the surface of their primes, we've got a wave of promising prospects hitting the ages where they can contribute, and there's a lot more potential for our goaltending to improve from this year (I believe it was 8th worst in the league?) than get worse. Many of our competition invested heavily into this year, and almost all are set to take steps backward. There are many reasons to be optimistic about the coming years.

We can’t run back the same team if we tried. For example, Rielly is going to cost more right off the bat and we would have to place another long bet on a starting goalie giving us Campbell production just to get back to the starting blocks of last years team. That’s before you factor in UFA and RFA players Mikheyev, Sandin, Liljegren, Lyubushkin and a replacement for Spezza.

In a flat cap we’re treading water like everyone else and our competitive advantage might come down to who struggles more to keep their band together.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We can’t run back the same team if we tried. For example, Rielly is going to cost more right off the bat and we would have to place another long bet on a starting goalie giving us Campbell production just to get back to the starting blocks of last years team. That’s before you factor in UFA and RFA players Mikheyev, Sandin, Liljegren, Lyubushkin and a replacement for Spezza.

The Rielly increase is essentially covered by the Kessel buyout coming off and the 1m cap increase, and that's really our only notable increase. Sandin and Liljegren aren't likely to get significant raises, and none of Mikyehev, Lyubihskin or Spezza are losses to lose sleep over. We have potential cap to move around in Kerfoot, Holl, and Mrazek if needed. You don't need to spend more than the ~5.5m we spent last year to get better than the 8th worst goaltending in the league.

Pretty much everyone around us is going through bigger crunches or losses.

 

[kb]

Can be a leafs fan and criticize, the main goal here is winning is it not.... its funny how you post not a leafs fan when people spend thousand of hrs on this site talking about the leafs and are as hardcore a fan as many of us are , might be time to stop calling out posters its sad, just because you think a certain way, and another poster thinks different does not mean they are not hardcore leaf fans...

There are a lot of posters on here who are from other boards and spend all their lives on the Leaf boards because they like to stir up stuff. Let's not pretend that's not true.

'But playoffs' is getting old and tired. If being a fan for them is such a chore....there are many other options.

The main goal is winning. But if complaining about 1967 is somehow relevant to today, I'm all ears.

 

[Cleetus]

There are a lot of posters on here who are from other boards and spend all their lives on the Leaf boards because they like to stir up stuff. Let's not pretend that's not true.

'But playoffs' is getting old and tired. If being a fan for them is such a chore....there are many other options.

The main goal is winning. But if complaining about 1967 is somehow relevant to today, I'm all ears.

yes we need to win in them, and being a leaf fan being a chore or not, does not mean they are not hardcore leaf fans.... trolls are trolls, but lots of leaf fans want changes, and I dont blame them

 

[saffronleaf]

Tampa in 6 vs the Avs.

That said, hope it goes to triple overtime in game 7

lol when it's not a series involving the Leafs I always hope for OTs and game 7.

 

[kb]

yes we need to win in them, and being a leaf fan being a chore or not, does not mean they are not hardcore leaf fans.... trolls are trolls, but lots of leaf fans want changes, and I dont blame them

Well, if we go to the Webster dictionary definition of fan......then no, they are not.

Definition of fan (Entry 3 of 3)
1: an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
2: an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit)

I get it, there are some in here who would want changes or firing even if the Leafs went 82-0 (especially under the current regime). lol

Constant long winded complaining gets tiresome no matter what the subject. Post after post after post.

 

[Cleetus]

Well, if we go to the Webster dictionary definition of fan......then no, they are not.

Definition of fan (Entry 3 of 3)
1: an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
2: an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit)

I get it, there are some in here who would want changes or firing even if the Leafs went 82-0 (especially under the current regime). lol

Constant long winded complaining gets tiresome no matter what the subject. Post after post after post.

constantly defending Failure also gets tiresome post after post

 

[kb]

constantly defending Failure also gets tiresome post after post

Perhaps people should be letting go of the past. Whining doesn't help or change it.

 

[saffronleaf]

Our Leafs won't learn SQUAT! There is NOT any killer instinct in any of the fab4, just GREED IMHO!

the big 3 were loaded with killer instinct when it came to the contract negotiations. maybe they've discharged all of it already.

 

[Cleetus]

Perhaps people should be letting go of the past. Whining doesn't help or change it.

I mean sure, but it does not change the fact the past has not been good for a long time, Im hoping for a good off season, and for Oct to get here pretty fast lol. at least there is baseball

 

[Stephen]

The Rielly increase is essentially covered by the Kessel buyout coming off and the 1m cap increase, and that's really our only notable increase. Sandin and Liljegren aren't likely to get significant raises, and none of Mikyehev, Lyubihskin or Spezza are losses to lose sleep over. We have potential cap to move around in Kerfoot, Holl, and Mrazek if needed. You don't need to spend more than the ~5.5m we spent last year to get better than the 8th worst goaltending in the league.

Pretty much everyone around us is going through bigger crunches or losses.

Kessel is $1.2 million and that covers less than half of Rielly’s raise of $2.5 million.

We have a $1.65 million goalie who made the All-Star game. He’s rumoured to be asking for $5 million.

So right away we need to find about $5 million just to pay for the exact same thing. Which we probably won’t even do. Then we pay each of the RFA’s a modest doubling of salary.

So it’s a massive challenge just to get back to the starting line.

 

[saffronleaf]

Game 6 is where they woke up for good.

yes game 6 against the rangers they were wide awake

 

[Dekes For Days]

Kessel is $1.2 million and that covers less than half of Rielly’s raise of $2.5 million.

Kessel's retention is 1.2m, and the cap is going up 1m. That covers almost all of Rielly's raise, and he's the only one set for a notable increase.

We have a $1.65 million goalie who made the All-Star game.

We had a 1.65m goalie who made the all star game and then completely nosedived for a couple months, to be clear. We also had Mrazek having a really down year, and goalie injuries that required us to use 3rd stringers or worse for a not insignificant number of games. We spent about 5.5m on goalies last year, which is more than enough to get goaltending better than the -21 GSAx we received.

Then we pay each of the RFA’s a modest doubling of salary.

I doubt any of our RFAs are getting double their salary...

 

[saffronleaf]

Perhaps people should be letting go of the past. Whining doesn't help or change it.

kinda hard to let go when every year the playoffs is like groundhog day

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important thing to note is that I don't think the Lightning have finished waking up. I think first 20 games in October the process will be completed.

 

[Stephen]

Kessel's retention is 1.2m, and the cap is going up 1m. That covers almost all of Rielly's raise, and he's the only one set for a notable increase.

We had a 1.65m goalie who made the all star game and then completely nosedived for a couple months, to be clear. We also had Mrazek having a really down year, and goalie injuries that required us to use 3rd stringers or worse for a not insignificant number of games. We spent about 5.5m on goalies last year, which is more than enough to get goaltending better than the -21 GSAx we received.

I doubt any of our RFAs are getting double their salary...

Okay, now price in an upgrade somewhere.

 

[Gabriel426]

Not sure I agree, but Matthews' and Marner's record-setting seasons gain meaning if Leafs win Game 7

That’s the thing, it was Game 7 in the 1st round.
Half the teams in the first round advanced to the 2nd round. It is really nothing special or some sort of great accomplishment. It just so happened that our talented team just can’t do it.

The Bolts were smoking red hot to end the regular season (7-2 with a +20 goal differential to end the year), and smoking red hot against the Panthers right after playing the Leafs.

Obviously they didn't mysteriously just stop trying against the Leafs. That's a silly take.

That’s I agree. I think the Leafs made Vas beatable in the series.

 

[kb]

I mean sure, but it does not change the fact the past has not been good for a long time, Im hoping for a good off season, and for Oct to get here pretty fast lol. at least there is baseball

Me too - re: offseason. IMO, they need a Hellebuyck good one.

Vladdy murdered a baseball. Moment of silence for it's family.

 

[hamzarocks]

Kessel's retention is 1.2m, and the cap is going up 1m. That covers almost all of Rielly's raise, and he's the only one set for a notable increase.

We had a 1.65m goalie who made the all star game and then completely nosedived for a couple months, to be clear. We also had Mrazek having a really down year, and goalie injuries that required us to use 3rd stringers or worse for a not insignificant number of games. We spent about 5.5m on goalies last year, which is more than enough to get goaltending better than the -21 GSAx we received.

I doubt any of our RFAs are getting double their salary...

Engvall and liljgren will get some nice raises

Engvall had a near 40ish pt pace. He made 1.2ish. Not hard to see a 2.5M x 4 deal where if his current season is the norm he'll be a surplus value deal

Liljgren probably gets a 2Mx2 bridge deal

Sandin shouldn't get more than 1.5M if he's not dealt for a bigger piece

Kase at 1.2M should be transitioned into the much needed and high reward Kessel reunion

Don't think any other RFAs matter and get more than league minimum

 

[Dekes For Days]

Okay, now price in an upgrade somewhere.

We were talking about maintaining what we had. Potential upgrades (keeping in mind how rare a 115 point season actually is) will likely come from a mixture of internal development, goaltenders performing better, inserting prospects, and quality low-cap signings like Bunting and Kampf, not from spending money adding high-end UFAs. That's pretty much true for every team around us though. We're actually better positioned than pretty much all of those teams.

 

[3blizzard4]

It’s nice to see HFOIL mods taking the high road and not allowing anyone to talk about McDavid drunken stupor night with a girl not his girlfriend. Very classy.

Wish they would have done the same with the Matthews incident a few years ago. No. They let anyone and everyone denigrate Matthews on their board.

 

[Metroid]

It’s nice to see HFOIL mods taking the high road and not allowing anyone to talk about McDavid drunken stupor night with a girl not his girlfriend. Very classy.

Wish they would have done the same with the Matthews incident a few years ago. No. They let anyone and everyone denigrate Matthews on their board.

Don't ya know? Anything leafs related is allowed because it keeps this board alive and active. So many double standards it's pathetic.

 

[deprw]

Yeah they played well but the end result is they lost. They need some major changes to get to the next level. I'm not talking about the core. They need an upgrade in goal and a better bottom 6. The major difference in the Tampa series was their bottom 6 was more effective then the Leafs.

We were basicly on Tampas level most of the series. In the end the difference was Tampa having that momentum killing trap, that we don't have and we should learn. Tampa also got those timely goals in game 7, but we made their stars look like pedestrian and it was depth that made the difference. It wasn't some dominating team pushing Leafs away, it was one goal game in game 6 and 7.

In the end it doesn't matter, but making major changes is also a risk. Getting better should always be our goal.