Around The League 2020-21 offseason part III

[JrFischer54]

There’s DeAngelo truthers debating the “facts” about the DeAngelo/Miller puck story. Now it’s true, unless the players go on record who knows for sure if it definitely happened. You got us, internet Sherlocks.

I only bring this up because a Rags fan posted a clip of the goal as “proof” for DeAngelo because he congratulates Miller (even though it’s a perfunctory congrats) and other dumb reasons.

I guess Miller’s agent has said the trainers have the puck and is getting it framed (?) so it’s not true. (The agent was quoted in a tweet.)

I’m posting it because after watching the clip I’m wondering, does anyone on that team like each other? Man, for a first goal celebration, it a bloodless, cheerless exercise with a minimum of enthusiasm. I thought maybe they were losing by a lot or winning by a lot, but no, they took a 2-1 lead at the end of the 1st. Compare and contrast to that to unbridled enthusiasm of our team.

Once again I realize my life could be worse, I could be a New York Rangers fan.

i don’t see anything in that clip that shows tony do anything wrong with the puck. I would think this board would’ve learned it’s lesson about jumping on stories without proof

 

[My3Sons]

There’s a difference between being legally able to deny an interview and choosing to deny an interview. The point of allowing interviews while guys have jobs is not to block opportunities they aren’t getting at your organization. It’s like keeping an assistant coach from taking a head coach job.

I was speaking of a hypothetical situation, suggested by others, where HBSE has someone else in mind for the GM job and was planning to hire that person when Fitz’s one year GM contract is over. That’s means HBSE would be bringing in someone else to be his boss.

That would also mean Fitz would never be GM because if they aren’t making him (extra-permanent?) GM now they never will. It’s doesn’t matter what other executive position HBSE gives him. If he isn’t their future GM and Pittsburgh wants to make him GM then they’re screwing him.

I personally don’t believe that hypothesis and think Fitz has the GM job. Maybe HBSE was unenthusiastic about Fitz at first, he was a Shero guy and he’s a hockey guy. I can see hedge fund dudes oohing and ahhing over analytic types, but Fitz is here now and doing a good job. I don’t see them bringing in an outside new GM and remaking the organization, particularly in economic environment.

My thinking may be influenced by what I to have happen, I’d prefer they keep Fitz as GM.

If the Gamestop debacle has shown anything, it's that the "smartest guy in the room" hedge fund types aren't necessarily much more than bullies and shysters and they aren't always smarter than anyone else when they can't tilt the playing field or operate in the dark where they can't be seen. Maybe a little humility is the lesson.

 

[Guttersniped]

i don’t see anything in that clip that shows tony do anything wrong with the puck. I would think this board would’ve learned it’s lesson about jumping on stories without proof

I believe puckgate’s over? Miller’s agent has been quoted as saying the training staff has the puck. The story came from a Rangers blog, was not substantiated by any journalist and then a journalist tracked down Miller’s agent for his quote.

I wasn’t heavily invested in puck story itself. The lack of a photo of Miller with it could be explained by no photographers locker-room due to COVID. At the same time, I was making fun of the Ranger fan wanted people to forensically watch that footage in slow motion on high def monitor to follow the puck after the goal. I was planning on waiting on a statement myself.

I posted the footage because the body language is pretty off with that team considering that a rookie scored his 1st NHL goal to take a lead in the game. It’s open to interpretation but it’s seems like there’s a lack camaraderie there. I never thought about before but it’s seem doesn’t a chummy team.

Say what your will about Shero’s team building, he did emphasize personal connections, leadership and overall character.

And back to Miller, the statement only says the puck isn’t missing. Who knows what happened between the players. If DeAngelo is gone I’m guess Miller won’t discuss him, he’s not going to want to rile DeAngelo’s supporters off and (sadly) on the team.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

The only way the puck story is true is it was a practical joke / ribbing that went a little too far. Struck me as ADA hater fan fiction and Miller’s agent denying it should end it.

 

[Devils090]

That’s a lot of words about a story that probably isn’t true nor should anyone care about.

 

[Darkauron]

Who cares about the puck story now. Everything else is true and he is still a huge POS. And no one wants to deal with him anymore so good riddance.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

"Puckgate" seemed manufactured from the start, frankly. Twitter is full of race-obsessed halfwits who love to assume moral superiority by identifying racism, even if it doesn't exist. "Calling it out" makes them feel good and "woke," but they don't realize how many false alarms they sound, and how utterly patronizing it is to the person/people they're unilaterally labeling as a victim(s).

There's plenty of material against Tony DeAngelo. At this point, you can literally create categories: racial slurs, online behavior, misconduct against referees, altercations with teammates, etc. The list goes on and on. There is absolutely no need to fabricate a race-based narrative that drags K'Andre Miller through more racially-charged mud.

Miller has endured actual racism over the past few years, and it just turns my stomach that now his 1st NHL goal is cloaked in a race-based narrative started by some loser on the Internet.

Fortunately, he's mature beyond his years, so he can probably block out the "noise" better than most.

 

[HBK27]

Who cares about the puck story now. Everything else is true and he is still a huge POS. And no one wants to deal with him anymore so good riddance.

What is "everything else" that has been confirmed as true?

The same article made allegations that there were concerns about DeAngelo's treatment of Miller, though they did not cite any specific examples. They cite "multiple sources" saying his treatment of Miller had become a concern, though they had also cited "multiple sources" regarding the puck incident that was later proven false. Has a reputable source confirmed anything regarding his treatment of Miller being part of the issue?

The altercation with Georgiev has essentially been verified and that seemed to be the final straw for the Rangers. David Quinn is on record saying "This isn’t about one incident. It’s not about one thing."

Has any more detail come out regarding what exactly happened between DeAngelo and Georgiev or the other issues this season (since the Rangers felt comfortable enough to sign him to an extension this past offseason) that led to the Rangers waiving him? I have no doubt he did things to deserve that, I'm just curious what has actually been verified since there seem to be a lot of rumors going around.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

What is "everything else" that has been confirmed as true?

The same article made allegations that there were concerns about DeAngelo's treatment of Miller, though they did not cite any specific examples. They cite "multiple sources" saying his treatment of Miller had become a concern, though they had also cited "multiple sources" regarding the puck incident that was later proven false. Has a reputable source confirmed anything regarding his treatment of Miller being part of the issue?

The altercation with Georgiev has essentially been verified and that seemed to be the final straw for the Rangers. David Quinn is on record saying "This isn’t about one incident. It’s not about one thing."

Has any more detail come out regarding what exactly happened between DeAngelo and Georgiev or the other issues this season (since the Rangers felt comfortable enough to sign him to an extension this past offseason) that led to the Rangers waiving him? I have no doubt he did things to deserve that, I'm just curious what has actually been verified since there seem to be a lot of rumors going around.

"everything else" refers to all of the stuff from juniors, when he was suspended multiple times for derogatory comments. Plus all of his posts on Twitter.

 

[Darkauron]

What is "everything else" that has been confirmed as true?

The same article made allegations that there were concerns about DeAngelo's treatment of Miller, though they did not cite any specific examples. They cite "multiple sources" saying his treatment of Miller had become a concern, though they had also cited "multiple sources" regarding the puck incident that was later proven false. Has a reputable source confirmed anything regarding his treatment of Miller being part of the issue?

The altercation with Georgiev has essentially been verified and that seemed to be the final straw for the Rangers. David Quinn is on record saying "This isn’t about one incident. It’s not about one thing."

Has any more detail come out regarding what exactly happened between DeAngelo and Georgiev or the other issues this season (since the Rangers felt comfortable enough to sign him to an extension this past offseason) that led to the Rangers waiving him? I have no doubt he did things to deserve that, I'm just curious what has actually been verified since there seem to be a lot of rumors going around.

Im referencing his other past incidents more than anything. yeah what ZBC said

Only thing ive seen about the most recent incident is that Miller was the one that broke them up and not Krieder.

 

[Satans Hockey]

reminds me of Mike (Jefferson) Danton, remember him? what a dope he was

Completely different situations in my opinion, he wasn't good enough to play at the NHL level on a regular basis and he had a whole slew of issues with his agent and parents and a history of being abused and controlled. That whole story was a mess but very different from DeAngelo not knowing how to not be a piece of garbage to his teammates.

 

[Goptor]

Whats lost in all this DeAngelo mess is that he's not actually a good defenseman.

 

[Darkauron]

Whats lost in all this DeAngelo mess is that he's not actually a good defenseman.

Big facts right there

 

[HBK27]

Im referencing his other past incidents more than anything. yeah what ZBC said

Only thing ive seen about the most recent incident is that Miller was the one that broke them up and not Krieder.

OK. I saw the Rangers are supposed to address the situation prior to tonight's game, but I doubt we'll learn that much from them. Seems like something that we'll hear more of in a few weeks from one of the NHL insiders.

 

[HBK27]

Whats lost in all this DeAngelo mess is that he's not actually a good defenseman.

That certainly made it easier for the Rangers to waive him as he did not appear to be playing well at all this season. He had one point in 6 games and seemed to be a mess defensively.

Still, he did something right prior to this season as he had 53 points in 68 games this year and secured a 2 year, $9.6M contract as an RFA from the Rangers.

Given his previous history and how quickly things went south this season for him, Gorton has to be grilled for handing out that contract.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

I can't let this go because it amazes me, but with a 7-2 record, the flyers have given up 101 (!) more shots than they have taken. That's wild.

 

[Goptor]

I can't let this go because it amazes me, but with a 7-2 record, the flyers have given up 101 (!) more shots than they have taken. That's wild.

They have the talent throughout the lineup that can get away with passing bad quality shots in hopes of getting a better chance. They also have a mess on the back end that bleeds scoring chances left and right.

They're in the division lead for goals for so part of their game plan is working.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Whats lost in all this DeAngelo mess is that he's not actually a good defenseman.

If all the exact same off-ice nonsense happened but he were Victor Hedman I'd be clamoring for the Devils to claim him.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

They have the talent throughout the lineup that can get away with passing bad quality shots in hopes of getting a better chance. They also have a mess on the back end that bleeds scoring chances left and right.

They're in the division lead for goals for so part of their game plan is working.

I get it, but I think it should be no surprise when they go on their annual 10 game losing streak.

 

[Emperoreddy]

 

[Devilsgrl35]

Why would any team want DeAngelo in their locker room?

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Why would any team want DeAngelo in their locker room?

I'd rather have him on my books than Tyler Johnson if I'm TB. DeAngelo's buyout isn't bad at all though so I don't know why the Rangers would want a long term bad contract just to get rid of him.

 

[NJDevs26]

I'd rather have him on my books than Tyler Johnson if I'm TB. DeAngelo's buyout isn't bad at all though so I don't know why the Rangers would want a long term bad contract just to get rid of him.

Tampa already gave up on him once when money wasn't even an issue though, I realize different GM but a lot of the same players that know he's a dick are still there.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Tampa already gave up on him once when money wasn't even an issue though, I realize different GM but a lot of the same players that know he's a dick are still there.

I'm just speaking from a pure cap crunch perspective, cause TB is in trouble next offseason too and ADA's buyout is pretty nice. Presumably a bad contract would be coming back to NY and the move would be primarily due to cap.

 

[Emperoreddy]