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Around the League 20-21 Thread: Playoffs Edition

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kovacro said:
Give credit to Philip Danault for the reason Matthews was MIA. He shut him right down.

He was excellent and will get a nice raise once free agency opens. Didn't have a good year offensively, but his defensive game is top end.

Marner, don't know what to say..He looks like he is trending to the type of player that puts up regular season numbers and just vanishes when it matters. No bueno. Thought is was alright defensively but your not paying him that amount of coin to be a guy who is better without the puck, that's not his calling card.

I'd still take Matthews in a heartbeat, Marner, no so much.

Interesting off season ahead for the Laughs.
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And i'm the exact opposite.......I'd take Marner over Matthews....for a team like LA.....I'd also take Marner over Matthews in TOR, because they have Tavares and Nylander lined up etc, but either way definitelty be an intering off-season, they are gonna have to move on from one of the top 4.....to create some depth, they were relying on Spezza, Simmonds and Thornton way way too much
 
SFKingshomer said:
TOR is proof you can’t pay 3 guys that much money. They overpaid bad for RFA then the Tavares contract was pure lunacy. Trade Marner because you can’t move the other 2. Eat some salary to maximize the return and improve overall depth. There’s at least 10 wingers I’d prefer to Marner due to his contract and none of these guys are ELC. Only 1 makes more (Panarin) and he was a UFA who wanted to play in a big market.


Kucherov
Pastrnak
Rantanen
Panarin
Stamkos
Marchand
Huberdeau
Landeskog
Wheeler
Stone
Pacioretty
Kane
Ehlers
Guentzel
DeBrincat
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I actually agree with you that the Tavares deal is bad and going to hurt them. But a few posts ago you said that Marner's contract was going to make him tough to move. Are you expecting them to just give away Marner, I agree Matthews might be untradeable since they won't get a better player back in a trade. Matthews has 3 years left, Marner has 4 (Tavares has 4 also). They might just be married to this core for the next 3-4 years, everyone does bring up San Jose and Vancouver as failures but Washington and to some extent St. Louis had that one year where everything went right. That might be the best bet for the Leafs rather than trade Mitch Marner for what you hope is the right mix of secondary pieces.

As for the list, factoring in age and contract he has to be near the top. Only DeBrincat is younger. I was impressed you included DeBrincat, I didn't imagine him as your kind of player. I'd be all over trading for Marner but the issue is Toronto is going to be looking for something different than the Kings are offering. Same deal with Nylander, if Toronto put Nylander on the market could anyone come up with an offer that would work for both teams?
 
Herby said:
I actually agree with you that the Tavares deal is bad and going to hurt them. But a few posts ago you said that Marner's contract was going to make him tough to move. Are you expecting them to just give away Marner, I agree Matthews might be untradeable since they won't get a better player back in a trade. Matthews has 3 years left, Marner has 4 (Tavares has 4 also). They might just be married to this core for the next 3-4 years, everyone does bring up San Jose and Vancouver as failures but Washington and to some extent St. Louis had that one year where everything went right. That might be the best bet for the Leafs rather than trade Mitch Marner for what you hope is the right mix of secondary pieces.

As for the list, factoring in age and contract he has to be near the top. Only DeBrincat is younger. I was impressed you included DeBrincat, I didn't imagine him as your kind of player. I'd be all over trading for Marner but the issue is Toronto is going to be looking for something different than the Kings are offering. Same deal with Nylander, if Toronto put Nylander on the market could anyone come up with an offer that would work for both teams?
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I'd imagine any deal for Marner....is gonna start with Bjornfoot, Turcotte/Byfield, Walker/Roy, Kempe, etc,

While it would be amazing to get Marner imo, I think the cost is too much....as good of a player as he is.....you'd gut your depth to get him, and we'd basically......be Toronto, yet without the surrounding skill of Matthews/Nylander etc.
 
Why is anyone worried about Marner's contract?

Marner's contract would be no issue at all for the Kings. It's not one of those stupid Carter/Richards contracts that go to the end of time. He has 4 years left, and that takes him through his age 27 season, which would be four years in his stone prime.

The Kings have obviously the big two signed for awhile, they re-signed Iafallo and Roy for the next few years. The Kings probably aren't going to have to shell out much in extensions, I mean if Gabe or Kempe were to explode for a 70 point season or something you aren't worried about the cap even then. Byfield, Kaliyev , Turcotte all begin year 1 of their ELC's. Kovalchuk comes off this summer.. Carter, Brown, Quick and Maata come off to the tune of $17m after next season. Obviously those will have to be filled but the Kings can find players of similar talent for waaaaaaay less.
 
Herby said:
Why is anyone worried about Marner's contract?

Marner's contract would be no issue at all for the Kings. It's not one of those stupid Carter/Richards contracts that go to the end of time. He has 4 years left, and that takes him through his age 27 season, which would be four years in his stone prime.

The Kings have obviously the big two signed for awhile, they re-signed Iafallo and Roy for the next few years. The Kings probably aren't going to have to shell out much in extensions, I mean if Gabe or Kempe were to explode for a 70 point season or something you aren't worried about the cap even then. Byfield, Kaliyev (maybe), Turcotte all begin year 1 of their ELC's. Kovalchuk comes off this summer.. Carter, Brown, Quick and Maata come off to the tune of $17m after next season. Obviously those will have to be filled but the Kings can find players of similar talent for waaaaaaay less.
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Contract is fine........the issue is the assets it would take to acquire him would reduce the Kings to Toronto....but without the skill of Tavares, Matthews and Nylander to help....
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Contract is fine........the issue is the assets it would take to acquire him would reduce the Kings to Toronto....but without the skill of Tavares, Matthews and Nylander to help....
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The Leafs are still trying to contend. If they were trying to rebuild the Kings would have to include Byfield, Marner just turned 24 and doesn't have any of the injury questions Eichel has. The age and the contract are very appealing but I just don't see an asset swap that works for either team.
 
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It's a little early to be drinking. Marner can't score a single goal, against Momntreal no less, skating with Matthews, so let's trade for him and see how he does skating with guys like Blake Lizotte. Makes perfect sense.
 
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If you wanna get to the playoffs, getting Marner would be great. If you wanna win in the playoffs, mmm... not so good.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
And i'm the exact opposite.......I'd take Marner over Matthews....for a team like LA.....I'd also take Marner over Matthews in TOR, because they have Tavares and Nylander lined up etc, but either way definitelty be an intering off-season, they are gonna have to move on from one of the top 4.....to create some depth, they were relying on Spezza, Simmonds and Thornton way way too much
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You could see the game had passed Thornton and Simmonds by. Spezza, MAYBE you bring him back but it's strictly bottom 6 duty and spot duty on the power play. Very likely he's not going anywhere else. Retirement or back to the Leafs on a cheap 1-year deal.

I know a kid like Sandin faced criticism. I think he will be fine in the long run. Have to get the kids in and give them a roll. Sink or swim.

I think Robertson is going to be a good player for them as well and I am sure they envision him with a full time roll next season.

Wonder what they do with Hyman. Very good hockey player but do they have away to bring him back? He is going to get north of $5 million from somebody.
 
Herby said:
I actually agree with you that the Tavares deal is bad and going to hurt them. But a few posts ago you said that Marner's contract was going to make him tough to move. Are you expecting them to just give away Marner, I agree Matthews might be untradeable since they won't get a better player back in a trade. Matthews has 3 years left, Marner has 4 (Tavares has 4 also). They might just be married to this core for the next 3-4 years, everyone does bring up San Jose and Vancouver as failures but Washington and to some extent St. Louis had that one year where everything went right. That might be the best bet for the Leafs rather than trade Mitch Marner for what you hope is the right mix of secondary pieces.

As for the list, factoring in age and contract he has to be near the top. Only DeBrincat is younger. I was impressed you included DeBrincat, I didn't imagine him as your kind of player. I'd be all over trading for Marner but the issue is Toronto is going to be looking for something different than the Kings are offering. Same deal with Nylander, if Toronto put Nylander on the market could anyone come up with an offer that would work for both teams?
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I think Marner at his current cap hit is tough to get value for. Eat 2-3 million per and you can get a nice haul. Kempe, 21 1st, and Turcotte? The Kings need as much skill as they can get and he creates a lot of chances. Leafs could try for Jones or Hamilton to improve their D and go after some middle 6 guys in UFA to improve their depth. You can't run Thornton, Spezza, Foligno, and Simmonds out there and expect to contend. I love grit but I feel like they sacrificed speed and looked slow last night. Coleman, Armia, Granlund, Wennberg, etc. to fill out their forward group.

Look at the Islanders as an example. Barzal is a stud but beyond him they don't wow you but what they have is depth.

Komorov-Barzal-Eberle
Beauvillier-Nelson-Bailey
Palmeiri-Pageau-Zajac
Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Sorry, you are dead wrong.....on over half that list....I'd take Marner over everyone on that list except Pastrnak, and maybe Huberdeau. When you take age, contract, skill etc. For LA, Marner is hands down the best winger on that list. (excepting Pasternak) the ones that would be in the same....area (age, youth, skill) Rantanen, Ehlers, DeBrincat, all need linemates to create for them, Marners can create by himself, hands down the most skill in his age range.....He needs to work on a 200 ft game for sure, but offensively, no one on LA can match him, not that we set the bar very high...
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Sure but not 1 if them is close to Marner's salary besides Panarin who is better and was a UFA at the time. Rantanen creates a ton with his big frame and passing ability. He's criminally underrated.
 
I think Marner can still figure playoff hockey out, he's young enough that I don't see him as a lost cause. I'd definitely explore trading for him if a favorable deal could be had. The Kings desperately need skilled wingers.
 
Marner and sadly Matthews are guys who skate by their check the majority of the plays. They don’t engage one on one while without the puck which is fine during the regular season. But doesn’t work in the playoffs.

I kind of excuse Marner more than Matthews for disappearing in the playoffs because he’s smaller. And Marner is pretty great at defending using his stick, which is longer than his natural reach. But both guys are overpaid by about $3M each. And thinking about Marner on LA’s roster makes sense if it works. But this is the Kings and if Marner were here, he’d turn into a 40 point player.
 
SFKingshomer said:
I think Marner at his current cap hit is tough to get value for. Eat 2-3 million per and you can get a nice haul. Kempe, 21 1st, and Turcotte? The Kings need as much skill as they can get and he creates a lot of chances. Leafs could try for Jones or Hamilton to improve their D and go after some middle 6 guys in UFA to improve their depth. You can't run Thornton, Spezza, Foligno, and Simmonds out there and expect to contend. I love grit but I feel like they sacrificed speed and looked slow last night. Coleman, Armia, Granlund, Wennberg, etc. to fill out their forward group.

Look at the Islanders as an example. Barzal is a stud but beyond him they don't wow you but what they have is depth.

Komorov-Barzal-Eberle
Beauvillier-Nelson-Bailey
Palmeiri-Pageau-Zajac
Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck
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plus Trotz is a goddamn genius
 
SFKingshomer said:
Look at the Islanders as an example. Barzal is a stud but beyond him they don't wow you but what they have is depth.

Komorov-Barzal-Eberle
Beauvillier-Nelson-Bailey
Palmeiri-Pageau-Zajac
Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck
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Just don't forget they are missing Anders Lee.

Beauvillier is a heck of a player. He's having a strong playoff thus far.

That's one solid 4th line they have. It's got some bite to it.
 
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kovacro said:
Just don't forget they are missing Anders Lee.

Beauvillier is a heck of a player. He's having a strong playoff thus far.

That's one solid 4th line they have. It's got some bite to it.
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I like Beauvillier and teams have to be kicking themselves for not paying up for Pageau.
 
SFKingshomer said:
TOR is proof you can’t pay 3 guys that much money. They overpaid bad for RFA then the Tavares contract was pure lunacy.
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I don't think it proves it. Their story isn't over yet.

We all enjoy shitting on Toronto, but really they're a very good team that will continue to be good for years to come. We'll see how it turns out.

I agree with you on the Tavares contract though. That was the big mistake. They'd be so much better positioned if it wasn't for that.
 
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