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YP44 said:
Quick is the kings best value contract IMO
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Good signing by the Jets...he's a very good young goalie who will only get better, good value and term, roughly 7.7% of the salary cap

When Quick signed, his new deal was 9% of the salary cap.

So his value isn't under what it should be given when it was signed.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I guess all I'm saying is I don't know how some folks can talk about how "young" TB's core is with guys like Stamkos and Hedman at 29 and 27 then bemoan the age of Kopitar (30) and Doughty (28). Hell even the main board talks about how Hedman is the greatest young dman and that Doughty is going to fade away in a year or two since he's getting old without remembering that they're almost a year to the day apart.

Kucherov is maybe the key difference here at 25, and that's fine. Every organization has good amount of Killorns, even us. Blake is restocking the Brayden Point (Vilardi?) sector now.
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Kopitar isn't 30, he's turning 31 in a few weeks, Doughty , turning 29, is the youngest of the Kings 'core' Quick turning (33) and Carter turning (34)

Stamkos is turning 29 in Feb. He is the oldest of the Bolts core with a good range of contributing talent in the 22 -28 age range. The Kings have TT, TP as what I would call NHL top 9 players, given their time in. AK might be, Iafallo might be in time, but not yet.

There is a big difference.
Doughty and Stamkos the same age .
Doughty is the youngest of the Kings Core (ave age age 31.7)
Stamkos is the oldest (average age 26.25) (I used Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov and Vasilevski)

Since the last time the Kings went deep, in 2014 in the playoffs

Kings are 1 - 8 (9 games)
Bolts are 36-24 (60 games)

That's a big difference
 
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deeshamrock said:
Good signing by the Jets...he's a very good young goalie who will only get better, good value and term, roughly 7.7% of the salary cap

When Quick signed, his new deal was 9% of the salary cap.

So his value isn't under what it should be given when it was signed.
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I like when people compare contracts using % of cap.
 
deeshamrock said:
Kopitar isn't 30, he's turning 31 in a few weeks, Doughty , turning 29, is the youngest of the Kings 'core' Quick turning (33) and Carter turning (34)

Stamkos is turning 29 in Feb. He is the oldest of the Bolts core with a good range of contributing talent in the 22 -28 age range. The Kings have TT, TP as what I would call NHL top 9 players, given their time in. AK might be, Iafallo might be in time, but not yet.

There is a big difference.
Doughty and Stamkos the same age .
Doughty is the youngest of the Kings Core (ave age age 31.7)
Stamkos is the oldest (average age 26.25) (I used Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov and Vasilevski)

Since the last time the Kings went deep, in 2014 in the playoffs

Kings are 1 - 8 (9 games)
Bolts are 36-24 (60 games)

That's a big difference
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The Lightening may not have won a cup since 2004 but going to the Eastern Finals 3 out of 4 years is impressive.
 
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Herby said:
Since 08? 09? The second cup win? No matter where you want to draw it Tampa has drafted significantly better than LA. I won't include players who haven't yet impacted in the NHL like Vilardi and Foote, but I believe Vilardi has a chance to be the Kings best pick since Drew, so that certainly helps as does the much needed regime change in LA.

I guess we can meet in the middle and say this decade though, for reference, here would be a Top 8

Kings
1. Tyler Toffoli (47)
2. Tanner Pearson (30)
3. Adrian Kempe (29)
4. Colin Miller (151)
5. Derek Forbort (15)
6. Mike Amadio (90)
7. Paul LaDue (181)
8. Andy Andreoff (80)

Lightning
1. Nikita Kucherov (58)
2. Brayden Point (79)
3. Andrei Vasilevsky (19)
4. Jonathan Druin (3)
5. Ondrej Palat (208)
6. Vladislav Nemestikov (27)
7. Radko Gudas (66)
8. Nikita Nesterov (148)

I don't know man, doesn't seem close to me.

It just seems to be that it's pretty tough to win 1 playoff game over a 4 year span when you have Kopitar, Doughty and Quick. The way that ends up happening is when you draft like we have for the better part of a decade.
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The two lists obviously aren't comparable. I don't think anyone has a problem with the trades the Kings made to acquire Richards, Carter, and Gaborik to get over the hump to contend three times and win two cups.

I don't even mind the Sekera trade. It was unfortunate Sekera was injured and the Kings didn't make some type of run that season as I think it might have made a difference when it came to re-signing him. I think Dean had every intention of re-signing Sekera and moving Martinez to get a legit 3C in the off season.

Obviously mistakes were made prior to the Sekera trade. Richards should have been bought out, never should have given Greene another contract like the one he received, and on it goes.

I think the turning point was after the 2014-15 season. Dean failed to do the critical evaluation of the roster he was quite good at in his early years with the Kings. He should have recognized the run was over and started hoarding picks and moving out non-core players in an attempt to re-load and build around Doughty.

While the Kings big three is pretty good, it obviously isn't good enough to contend with this supporting cast. Odds are the clock runs out on Quick and Kopitar before Blake can get the gun reloaded.
 
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deeshamrock said:
Kopitar isn't 30, he's turning 31 in a few weeks, Doughty , turning 29, is the youngest of the Kings 'core' Quick turning (33) and Carter turning (34)

Stamkos is turning 29 in Feb. He is the oldest of the Bolts core with a good range of contributing talent in the 22 -28 age range. The Kings have TT, TP as what I would call NHL top 9 players, given their time in. AK might be, Iafallo might be in time, but not yet.

There is a big difference.
Doughty and Stamkos the same age .
Doughty is the youngest of the Kings Core (ave age age 31.7)
Stamkos is the oldest (average age 26.25) (I used Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov and Vasilevski)

Since the last time the Kings went deep, in 2014 in the playoffs

Kings are 1 - 8 (9 games)
Bolts are 36-24 (60 games)

That's a big difference
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Of course. They're in different points in their organizational timeline. But folks keep acting like the 1C and 1D especially are decades apart--they're not. The auxillary pieces are quite different, reflective of organizational journeys. I wasn't considering Vas part of their 'core' already but I guess I can concede that, but let's be honest, that alone spikes the range far down. If we're talking about skaters, the biggest difference is Kucherov.

And again, I'll never understand people wanting to discount "since the last time the Kings went deep" because that's the big reason we are where we are. Of course it's a big difference--when we won our 2014 Cup, TB had just been swept in the first round by MTL, having only made the playoffs twice in 7 years, winning only two rounds. That's a hell of a way to restock and we're well on our way to that too.
 
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deeshamrock said:
Kopitar isn't 30, he's turning 31 in a few weeks, Doughty , turning 29, is the youngest of the Kings 'core' Quick turning (33) and Carter turning (34)

Stamkos is turning 29 in Feb. He is the oldest of the Bolts core with a good range of contributing talent in the 22 -28 age range. The Kings have TT, TP as what I would call NHL top 9 players, given their time in. AK might be, Iafallo might be in time, but not yet.

There is a big difference.
Doughty and Stamkos the same age .
Doughty is the youngest of the Kings Core (ave age age 31.7)
Stamkos is the oldest (average age 26.25) (I used Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov and Vasilevski)

Since the last time the Kings went deep, in 2014 in the playoffs

Kings are 1 - 8 (9 games)
Bolts are 36-24 (60 games)

That's a big difference
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Holy crap....why use 2014? Why not use 2011? Oh wait, because again, Tampa HASNT WON JACK SHIT....they are in a position to...NOW....absolutely, but you guys want to act like they should be on the same trajectory ffs....Why not use the 8 years after Tampa won the cup...oh wait.....they were in the same position as LA....holy hell guys....cmon
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Holy crap....why use 2014? Why not use 2011? Oh wait, because again, Tampa HASNT WON JACK ****....they are in a position to...NOW....absolutely, but you guys want to act like they should be on the same trajectory ffs....Why not use the 8 years after Tampa won the cup...oh wait.....they were in the same position as LA....holy hell guys....cmon
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Holy crap ...because that is the last time the Kings went past round 1..

Holy crap...they aren't in a position to just win NOW...they have been a very successful team over the last few years and will continue to do so, based on what Yzerman has done.
 
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deeshamrock said:
Holy crap ...because that is the last time the Kings went past round 1..

Holy crap...they aren't in a position to just win NOW...they have been a very successful team over the last few years and will continue to do so, based on what Yzerman has done.
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I guess you can say they've been successful if you don't measure it by Cups, which is the only things teams measure success on. But again, ignoring the fact that the teams aren't on the same trajectory is just idiotic...If Tampa had won in 2011, 2013, and had this team....absolutely you have a case, they have been "successful" because they are NOW where LA was back in 2009-2010 etc....if they don't win in the next 3 years, it will be a miserable failure of a team.
 
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YP44 said:
The Lightening may not have won a cup since 2004 but going to the Eastern Finals 3 out of 4 years is impressive.
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While impressive, it's not enough just to get that far. Not when winning is what matters. Not when you're considered to be a true blue contender from day 1 of multiple seasons.

If that's all TB can accomplish with all that talent, if that's the ceiling, it's time for Yzerman to ask some tough questions about his roster. Might even be time to ask questions about Yzerman as a GM, and whether or not he has what it takes to get a team over the hump. It might be time to significantly retool, if not rebuild.
 
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Herby said:
Bowman sure loves re-aquiring former players.

Kruger
Campbell
Ladd
Saad
Sharp
Versteeg
Oduya
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Maybe he's going to hot tub time machine the roster back to 2013. Break out the Chernobyl.

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lexlavender said:
A 20g, 20a winger would be an average second liner but a VERY good third liner on most teams.
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Pearson scored 1.83 points per 60 minutes played last season. If you look across the league, that typically ranks him around 6th to 8th on any team’s group of forwards. If you look across the league, he would typically be out of the top six on a playoff team and in the top six on a non-playoff team. He’s number 6 on the Kings, if you count Carter, but not Gaborik. 9th on the Bruins, 9th on the Preds, 7th on the Penguins, 8th on the Sharks, 8th on the Bolts, 8th on VGK, 9th on the Jets.

This is what I mean when I say that Pearson is a very good third line winger on a deep team. On the Kings he’s a second line winger because the Kings simply have not had the depth.
 
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Focusing solely on LW production throughout the NHL, Pearson's goals per game average of .018 ranked him 53rd among LWs. His points per game of .49 was 38th best among LWs.
Player Season Finder | Hockey-Reference.com

His 40 points ranked him 31st overall among LWs.

He scored 4 less points the season prior, but he also scored 9 less goals, and his shooting percentage dropped significantly as well, despite having close to the same amount of shots on goal from the season prior.

During the post season, Pearson was pointless and limited to only 8 shots in 4 games while averaging over 19 mins per game.

Some consistency out of Pearson could really help the Kings.
 
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KINGS17 said:
Hawks are a desperate team trying to squeeze one more playoff run out of a core which probably isn't quite good enough to contend.
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Yup. Just like the Kings, really nothing either team can do though, they are forced to with the NMC's. The Hawks have it even worse because they are in the same division as probably the 3 best teams in the conference. If the Kings can avoid being a WC in the Central they won't have to see Winnipeg or Nashville until the conference finals.
 
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