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Johnny Utah said:
I ask myself though and I'm sure Lombardi does too, if what if he did NOT make the Richards' trade but did make the Carter move.
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LOL, you really think Lombardi is second guessing ANY of the moves that got him two cups? LOL....LOL...LOL....
 
Johnny Utah said:
Of course Simmonds is the MVP - just to rub salt into that wound.

Simmonds is MVP of All-Star Game and probably the #1 power forward in the league right now - def passed up Lucic, Kane and his pal Chris Stewart years ago.

Martin Jones is the #1 goalie and took Sharks to finals.

Klefbom is a #2 D on the Oilers backend.

How many more picks and players does Lombardi need to spread out around the league?
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You have crashed - put down the drugs.

How can anyone second guess any moves that played a part in winning the Cup?!? And not only once, but twice!
 
I think the Lucic deal warrants criticism. Martin Jones (RFA at the time, but lets be honest he was a goner anyway), Colin Miller and a 1st for one year of Looch. stings thinking about it
 
Didn't Dean go to Richards and ask him about Carter and his so called partying ways? Who knows maybe if Richards isn't there to vouch for Carter Dean doesn't make that trade.
 
johnjm22 said:
As would I, but you can't make the assumption that trading him is the reason we got two cups. The Kings were likely going to miss the playoffs after the trade. The team was worse, not better. It took other major changes to get the team over the hump.
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That trade didn't cost the Kings any Cups though. They won in 2012, reached the Conference Finals in 2013 and won another Cup in 2014. What have the Flyers achieved?

And again I reiterate the fact that Stoll would have been the #2 center behind Kopitar by default had they not made that trade. Richards wasn't a slouch in his first couple of seasons here. Sucks what happened to him in the end, but he played critical minutes and played a factor in that run in 2012.

Simmonds would look great on Kopitar's wing right now, but those two Cup banners look even better.
 
And let's not forget Simmonds has won nothing in the NHL and doesn't appear to be on the verge of anytime soon. I'll take the 2 Cups, for years I felt like being a King fan was a bad joke, a giant waste of my time and money. I feel like the long wait was worth it now, that feeling, rooting for a champion and expecting wins is worth any price.
 
Jeff Carter plays center, why wouldn't he have been the #2 center? He was just moved to RW to play with Richards'. He has played both positions his entire career.

In terms of Lombardi talking to MR about Jeff Carter. That was true but also Voynov stole Jack Johnson's roster spot so essentially Lombardi had a 1st and JJ to play with and he made the deal. I'm sure he talked to a lot of people besides just MR.

Also, the Kings miss Simmonds so much they traded a 1st, Jones and Miller for Lucic.

Now there is talk of them scouting Buffalo for Kane.

So when all is said and done it could be a Jones, 1st, Miller plus MORE for a version of Simmonds whether his name was Lucic or name is Kane.
 
Who cares about two cups? The reality is that Mike Richards had to be bought out, and Simmonds is now an All Star MVP. With Simmonds, we may have had an opportunity to win more than two cups. I will take those theoretical cups all day every day.
 
SFKingshomer said:
We have no idea if Sutter would even play Simmonds on the PP and that's the only place he's effective.
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Even strength is more important than the PP. Simmonds was already a better offensive player at even strength than Richards was as the time of the trade.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
That trade didn't cost the Kings any Cups though. They won in 2012, reached the Conference Finals in 2013 and won another Cup in 2014. What have the Flyers achieved?

And again I reiterate the fact that Stoll would have been the #2 center behind Kopitar by default had they not made that trade. Richards wasn't a slouch in his first couple of seasons here. Sucks what happened to him in the end, but he played critical minutes and played a factor in that run in 2012.

Simmonds would look great on Kopitar's wing right now, but those two Cup banners look even better.
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"What have the Flyer's achieved?" <- I don't understand this logic. Hockey is a team sport. What would Richards have achieved with the Kings if it wasn't for Kopitar, Brown, Doughty, Carter, Sutter?

You don't know that Stoll would have been the number 2 center.

I agree Richards wasn't a slouch his first few seasons here. He contributed for sure, but his prescence didn't make the team any better, in fact they were worse.
 
Exactly.

We will never know. Kings could have stuck Schenn at the #2 center slot (not likely though), Carter could have played #2 center, Stoll could have played #2 center and Schenn #3 or #4...tons of options.

Mike Richards' was ALREADY on the team when the Kings were struggling and then Lombardi had to fire Murray, hire Sutter, call up Nolan/King and trade for Carter.

Kings traded Simmonds and Schenn for essentially two good seasons of Richards'. His 2013-2014 regular season was horrible the following year was in the minors.
 
AlphaBravo said:
Who cares about two cups? The reality is that Mike Richards had to be bought out, and Simmonds is now an All Star MVP. With Simmonds, we may have had an opportunity to win more than two cups. I will take those theoretical cups all day every day.
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what?? you'd throw away two cups just to have a chance at possibly winning more than 2 cups, even though there'd be no guarantee that you win even one? how does does this logic come anywhere close to making sense?

thats like blowing 100k on lotto tickets and saying 'well, i could theoretically win the lotto"

it doesnt make any ****ing sense dude
 
Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Penner-Carter-Simmonds
King-Stoll-Lewis
Richardson-Fraser-Nolan

vs

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Penner-Richards-Carter
King-Stoll-Lewis
Richardson-Fraser-Nolan

What's the difference? And this doesn't include Quick, who was lights out and the defense of a prime Scuderi, Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Greene and Mitchell.

Sorry, people, I don't think Richards' instead of Simmonds or Schenn changed either Stanley Cup run. You can roll the dice on 2012 since Richards' was big in the 1st round vs Vancouver but he was invisible in 2014 and could have been subbed out with anyone. The system and team won both Cups, not one player.

The Kings team from 2012 steam rolled everyone because of the Sutter hiring, the calls up of Nolan & King and the Carter deal along with great goaltending, defense, owning the boards and corners, and of course Kopitar.
 
theMajor said:
what?? you'd throw away two cups just to have a chance at possibly winning more than 2 cups, even though there'd be no guarantee that you win even one? how does does this logic come anywhere close to making sense?

thats like blowing 100k on lotto tickets and saying 'well, i could theoretically win the lotto"

it doesnt make any ****ing sense dude
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I don't think he was serious
 
Johnny Utah said:
Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Penner-Carter-Simmonds
King-Stoll-Lewis
Richardson-Fraser-Nolan

vs

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Penner-Richards-Carter
King-Stoll-Lewis
Richardson-Fraser-Nolan

What's the difference? And this doesn't include Quick, who was lights out and the defense of a prime Scuderi, Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Greene and Mitchell.
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Missing B scheen in that top group
 
A lot of what if's in this thread


Might as well add:

what if we picked Tarasenko
What if Voynov was a good boy
What if we landed Kovalchuk
What if we traded Quick and kept Jones
What if DL bought out Richards at the right time
What if Carter only came here because his BFF was here
What if Shore didn't have naked pictures of Sutter
What is Simmer stayed and was a 15 goal scorer in our tight system


I am just glad I got to watch the Kings win the Cup and the feelings I got both times it happened. I wouldn't gamble anything to hive those feelings away. This team has a lot of work today, especially the front office. Keep in mind this team has been without Kopitar, Toffoli, Gabby and Quick for extended periods this year and we are still in it.

Forbert, Gravel and Dowd have played well and should be solid blocks for the future and we still have all our picks for this draft.

Our key defense is locked up long term as are our two key centers and goaltender. Our farm may not be as good as some but it's not without talent, especially on the backend.

We will lose a player for sure in the draft but again "what if" it actually helps i.e.) Brown

I enjoy everyone's separate views and no one being a ***** while debating it but in the end we have not one but two cups and the emotions that went with winning them. We are a spoiled franchise
 
funky said:
A lot of what if's in this thread


Might as well add:

what if we picked Tarasenko
What if Voynov was a good boy
What if we landed Kovalchuk
What if we traded Quick and kept Jones
What if DL bought out Richards at the right time
What if Carter only came here because his BFF was here
What if Shore didn't have naked pictures of Sutter
What is Simmer stayed and was a 15 goal scorer in our tight system


I am just glad I got to watch the Kings win the Cup and the feelings I got both times it happened. I wouldn't gamble anything to hive those feelings away. This team has a lot of work today, especially the front office. Keep in mind this team has been without Kopitar, Toffoli, Gabby and Quick for extended periods this year and we are still in it.

Forbert, Gravel and Dowd have played well and should be solid blocks for the future and we still have all our picks for this draft.

Our key defense is locked up long term as are our two key centers and goaltender. Our farm may not be as good as some but it's not without talent, especially on the backend.

We will lose a player for sure in the draft but again "what if" it actually helps i.e.) Brown

I enjoy everyone's separate views and no one being a ***** while debating it but in the end we have not one but two cups and the emotions that went with winning them. We are a spoiled franchise
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Carter said his friendship was MR was overrated and overplayed in the media like Doughty and Couture.
 
YP44 said:
Sounds like the Islanders are without a home again haha
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Props to Tavares for saying all the right things about wanting to resign there but you have to think he's already a Leaf. Why would he stay? Owners that don't care where the players play, the fact they practice and play at an arena 50 miles from where most of them live on bad ice that the NHL has already said was subpar in a venue with bad seats.

Guess they have 2 yrs to figure it out..they gone after 18/19
perhaps to Quebec, Seattle or uh...Queens
In July, Bloomberg News reported that Ledecky and Malkin were considering building a new arena adjacent to Citi Field in Queens.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/brooklyn-barclays-center-dumping-islanders-205122931.html
 
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