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Games 1 and 2 were Quick.

Games 3 and 4 were fleury and the shot charts, scoring chances, and eye test bear that out.

Games 1, 2, and 3 were all about Quick. Game 4 was more even.

Now compare the Winnipeg shot charts to those of the Kings. I'm willing to bet Fleury was much more active in the Winnipeg series.
 
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Exclusive: Lou Lamoriello will be hired to run Islanders' hockey operations

Not sure if this move to keep JT from bailing will work. Historically, Lou doesn't overpay for offense and his track record is okay but not great, the Devils have been much better since he left. And as much as I love JT, the Isles would need a lot more to turn it around.
But JT doesn't have facial hair, so there's that...

Lou will take orders from ownership, and I imagine even he realizes how much JT means to the Islanders. Perhaps it's our convenient excuse, but the Kovalchuk contract always seemed to be more from ownership.

I guess it remains to be seen how the Islanders chain of command shakes out. Lou might not necessarily be the one to make call on the dollars offered to Tavares. Dean Lombardi was always complimentary towards Lou taking time to discuss organizational structure early in his tenure as GM in San Jose.

But if there is a franchise that has needed some semblance of structure, it's the Islanders. I can't even imagine being an Isles fan the last 25 years. I would have disavowed hockey long ago. From two decades+ of Milbury/Snow in charge, to Neil Smith being GM for what felt like two days.
 
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I can't say I really like that hiring for NYI.

Seems like they're hiring him just because he's a name.
 
VGK is proof that the salary cap and cba have artificially skewed the competitive balance in the NHL. Tropes like character and grit are dead. Franchises need to be mercenaries in order to ice winning teams.
 
Well said.

This idea that teams need to “earn” a championship by sucking for years is utterly absurd and created entirely in the minds of bitter opposing fans. The Kings sucking for 40 years until a championship is not some codified rule.

Vegas, the players, have earned every inch of ice out there. They’ve handily beaten every western team thrown in front of them. What are they supposed to do? Throw games because they’re an expansion team and “expansion teams are supposed to suck”? Listen to yourselves.

Every good team brings its share of obnoxious bandwagoners, including Vegas, including LA, including everyone.

Life ain’t fair. Sometimes people win the lottery. Sometimes people struggle for decades until they retire. Likening the Vegas fanbase to “trailer trash,” frankly, is much more obnoxious than anything the Vegas fanbase has done or said. All I’ve seen from the local fanbase in Vegas is pure wonder and joy at what the Knights have accomplished, how they’ve immediately immersed themselves in the community, and how hungry we all were for a franchise to call our own.

I’ve been following this game for 30 years. I live, love and breathe Kings hockey. I cheered for them OVER Vegas in round one. But I’ll be damned if I don’t admit that the Knights haven’t been a beautiful addition to the city, and one of the most astounding sports stories I’ve ever seen unfold.

Everything else, all the insults and dismissal from other fanbases, is pure sour grapes. And I don’t blame some fans for that. I understand that pain. I’m a Kings fan after all. I suffered with everyone else here up until 2012. I get it. But it’s a poor excuse to **** on Knights fans. They’re not breaking any rules. They’re just overjoyed with their team.

A new hockey fan should never be ostracized. We should all be fans of the game more than fans of a team. If not, pro sports are reduced to nothing more than vicarious mongoloid tribalism.

I'm not saying their fans are trailer trash, it is just a "new money" analogy and not a description of the citizens of Vegas which, obviously, you would take offense to.

I'm all for them having success since it is good for the game of hockey and the NHL, in particular. Winning the division was already enough success for a first year team insofar as galvanizing a fan base in a new market. Going on to win one and then two series was easily more than enough with a trip to the SCF being a huge deal. The Kings just making it in 1993 was a big deal for hockey in the area and the team had already been here for 25 years. The Kinghts don't even have to win the thing at this point as they are already a runaway freight train of success so I can hope for them to be swept while also not rooting against the sport itself.

I dislike several of the players on the team; however, nobody is saying they should throw games or lose just because they are an expansion team so maybe take a step back on that one. The fans of Vegas didn't choose to have their team win but that doesn't matter: I don't want them to be able to experience a Stanley Cup win in their first year of existence. I already said I'm being petty but that's perfectly fine because that's what being a sports fan is about when it comes to teams and fan bases you dislike. I don't want the Ducks to ever win another regular season game, let alone another Cup.

As far as I'm concerned, Vegas is a rival in our division and the fans that have represented them in the games at Staples this year have generally sucked. I know they weren't elected to represent the Knight's entire fan base and are more likely an exception to the rule; however, they represent what I've experienced of the Vegas fan base and I don't want those people to be happy. Ever.

I am more of a Kings fan than an NHL fan, hence the majority of my posts being on this board and not the main board or all over other team's pages. I have zero connection to the citizens of Las Vegas so, while I hope this can lead to more youth hockey involvement etc..., it doesn't warm my heart for them to be in the SCFs. While I've already made the point that rooting against Vegas once the playoffs started does not equate to rooting against the sport, I have no issue with being labeled a mongoloid tribalist because I'd rather see a tortured fan base win a Cup v. one in its infancy. I don't know anyone in DC/Virginia or Winnipeg, but I know what it is like to religiously follow a team for almost your entire life while never winning it all or even coming close more than once. I can relate to that while Vegas is a much wilder Colorado Avalanche story at this point; that shit didn't sit well with me 20+ years ago and that hasn't changed.

You are right in the thick of the Cup madness and it is great for your hometown on many levels. I was in Vegas during Route 91, had some unforgettable experiences in the immediate aftermath and know people that were actually in attendance. The way the Knights have further galvanized your community following the tragedy is fantastic. Everything that is happening is great for hockey since it is making new fans and, really, nobody is going to stop watching if they win the entire thing. At the end of the day though, being bitter and putting sour grapes on the menu as a fan of a team that isn't competing for a Cup isn't some strange occurrence and should not be ostracized either. If it was SJ or Anaheim playing for the Cup, I'd want them to be swept as well with the worst part about Anaheim winning in 2007 was the fact the Kings never had and it only took Anaheim like 12-13 seasons. Excuse me if I don't want to see the team that knocked my team out of the playoffs, a new division rival at that, win the Cup in its first season so the fans of this division rival can hold that over our heads until the time they are in their 50th season and we can see if they won another one in that time span to match the Kings.

I'll be dead by that time. Until I'm dead, however, I'd like the Kings total Cup number to increase while every other team in the division--along with others--stays right where it is at with this being predicated mainly on my interactions with those team's respective fan bases. Is that petty? Sure is! This isn't politics though where I should see both sides of an issue instead of just being reactionary: this is sports fandom and part of what makes it fun.
 
The only thing Vegas shows is that you should never easily give players a ton of money and keep players based on tenure or culture.


Just get make a talented cohesive squad and you're solid.


Again I'd like to see Vegas do something like this again next year to completely say this wasnt a giant anomaly.
 
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The only thing Vegas shows is that you should never easily give players a ton of money and keep players based on tenure or culture.


Just get make a talented cohesive squad and you're solid.


Again I'd like to see Vegas do something like this again next year to completely say this wasnt a giant anomaly.

That's what I've been saying too. The next few seasons will prove if it was just a fluke or they're that good. There won't be the same chip on their shoulder come training camp, just high expectations.
 
That's what I've been saying too. The next few seasons will prove if it was just a fluke or they're that good. There won't be the same chip on their shoulder come training camp, just high expectations.

That's why I'm not eager to kiss their ass like a lot of people have. Historically, this never happens. I'll give It one or two seasons before I can completely say that what they did would make championship teams.


Logically, they don't have what is needed to be a successful hockey team for a couple years. It's very possible they fall off the map since so many players are playing over their heads. If they continue, a lot will change for gms and us fans in regards to what it takes to have a competitive team for years.
 
That's why I'm not eager to kiss their ass like a lot of people have. Historically, this never happens. I'll give It one or two seasons before I can completely say that what they did would make championship teams.


Logically, they don't have what is needed to be a successful hockey team for a couple years. It's very possible they fall off the map since so many players are playing over their heads. If they continue, a lot will change for gms and us fans in regards to what it takes to have a competitive team for years.

Exactly. Right now they are riding a crazy wave to a possible championship, next season they may end up in 5th place and look like an average team. If anything, next season will be even more important.
 
Exactly. Right now they are riding a crazy wave to a possible championship, next season they may end up in 5th place and look like an average team. If anything, next season will be even more important.

100%. People are so quick to label this anomaly as tested and proven. It's been one year... The NHL has never been like this.
 
That's what I've been saying too. The next few seasons will prove if it was just a fluke or they're that good. There won't be the same chip on their shoulder come training camp, just high expectations.
Definitely will be tougher for Vegas next season no matter what the outcome of the Stanley Cup Final. They will get the "A" game from every team they play. They won't be able to sneak up on any team early in the season as they did this past season.

Vegas has a good hockey club, but it will be tough for them duplicate this season's success, and I don't think it's fair to expect it of them. No way Fleury plays this kind of hockey consistently next season. He had something to prove this year. I think it's only human nature to see him relax a bit next season.

I still think more balanced teams will have more success going forward.
 
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Exactly. Right now they are riding a crazy wave to a possible championship, next season they may end up in 5th place and look like an average team. If anything, next season will be even more important.

Nah.

No one cares about what the 1980 Miracle Team did after that tournament. The Miracle on Ice was an absolute fluke, and it’s still remembered as one of the most astounding underdog victories in sports history.

If Vegas does win four more games, they’ll be remembered in a similar regard. Doesn’t matter if they suck next year.

Ffs, they’re already putting Reaves game winning stick in the Hockey Hall of Fame.
 
Under the cap, we've seen an 8th seed that was 13th overall win the Cup, going up 3-0 in every series, and finishing with a 16-4 record. Now we're seeing an expansion team come close to doing the same thing, just as the 5th overall team in the league. Pittsburgh won back to back with almost nothing on defense. Carolina also won once, to start off this cap nonsense, with nothing on defense. Same GM of both teams, oddly enough.

Either get rid of the cap, or be prepared for more random things to happen. Without the Hall of Fame Detroit team, or the 80's Oilers, literally any team can win the Cup in any given year.
 
I think VGK's success is a combination of things, but I think a lot of it has to do with Gallant's coaching, and the team rallying around a tragedy at the beginning of the season.

IMO Gallant got FLA to overachieve in his short time there.
 
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At least Gaborik propelled the Kings to a Cup to earn his long-term contract v. propelling a team to a 2nd round exit. Love that San Jose gives up the 1st round pick now. I really liked the trade for them when it was just the 2nd: now I really like the trade for Buffalo and the Pacific Division.

Wilson really playing with fire with that 7-year term, unless these guys know there is another compliance buy-out period coming down the pike at some point.
 
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