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tunnelvision

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I think Savoie could be a jack of all trades type of forward in bottom-6 in Edmonton (if he can avoid injuries) who can occasionally replace injured guys higher in the lineup. He has versatile skillset and great compete level but even in junior games he rarely shows something that makes me think wow that's special stuff or that "he could pull that off in the NHL and get people out of their seats". Other small forwards like Benson, Ostlund and Helenius seem more cerebral players and therefore might have more upside and value than Savoie so I totally get Buffalo's decision.
 
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majormajor

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I think Savoie could be a jack of all trades type of forward in bottom-6 in Edmonton (if he can avoid injuries) who can occasionally replace injured guys higher in the lineup. He has versatile skillset and great compete level but even in junior games he rarely shows something that makes me think wow that's special stuff or that "he could pull that off in the NHL and get people out of their seats". Other small forwards like Benson, Ostlund and Helenius seem more cerebral players and therefore might have more upside and value than Savoie so I totally get Buffalo's decision.

I think Savoie will be more valuable as an inexpensive winger for Draisaitl or McDavid. I think his tools are really good for passing the puck around and taking advantage of the space those guys create. I think his lack of size is going to be more of an issue in the bottom six where he'd have to create his own space. Yamamoto for example, before injuries wrecked him, was the perfect complement to Draisaitl. Savoie is more skilled and less physical, and that should help him survive in the league longer.
 
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Doggy

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Multiple teams now doing their own thing and not dealing with Bally..
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. My impression is that the CBJ business side of things is completely uncreative and unable to think outside the box. I fully expect the organization to be cautious, stay the course, and would likely be one of the last American teams to ever try something new or radical.
 
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Multiple teams now doing their own thing and not dealing with Bally..
I've yet to hear how any team is going to replace the revenue provided by Bally's or any other Regional Sports Network. No one knows for sure (other than the teams and the RSNs) how much the RSN rights fees are, but for a team like the CBJ it's been projected to be somewhere in the $20-50M/ year range.

How is a team going to replace this revenue when no one is paying a rights fee? There is no way to get close with advertising sales or app membership fees.
 

koteka

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The weird thing is that Columbus takes chances with the arts and really benefits from it. You would think the Jackets might be influenced by the arts scene in Columbus. BalletMet hires bright young people knowing they will eventually move on to bigger groups, like Edwaard Liang who recently left for DC. The Columbus Symphony is similar with their music director Rossen Milanov. The Wexner Center had Johanna Burton who was hired away by the Museum of Contemporary Art in Los Angeles. We produce poets, painters, actors, musicians, etc. But we can’t put together a decent production for our hockey team? It is really sad.

edited because no spell check in the world is going to accept Edwaard, but that is his name
 
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Doggy

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I am starting to think Washington bought CapFriendly and took it private because they don't want fans to know that even after sending Bakstrom to LTIR they are still $5M over the cap.
 
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Viqsi

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I am starting to think Washington bought CapFriendly and took it private because they don't want fans to know that even after sending Bakstrom to LTIR they are still $5M over the cap.
Oshie is also expected to be on LTIR, which should cover it.
 

Iron Balls McGinty

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The weird thing is that Columbus takes chances with the arts and really benefits from it. You would think the Jackets might be influenced by the arts scene in Columbus. BalletMet hires bright young people knowing they will eventually move on to bigger groups, like Edwaard Liang who recently left for DC. The Columbus Symphony is similar with their music director Rossen Milanov. The Wexner Center had Johanna Burton who was hired away by the Museum of Contemporary Art in Los Angeles. We produce poets, painters, actors, musicians, etc. But we can’t put together a decent production for our hockey team? It is really sad.

edited because no spell check in the world is going to accept Edwaard, but that is his name
Because most people care more about producing buckeye football players.

I guarantee more people know the 3rd string safety on the football team is than know who Rossen Milanov. If you ask them, they probably think he plays for the CBJ.
 

koteka

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If you are free tomorrow afternoon, there are some games at Chiller North. This was sent to me:

Cap City/Force Network Party
Thursday, 10:00am - 11:30am, Chiller North
Prior to the first Cap City game at 12:00pm (Cam Atkinson vs Sean Kuraly)

- Meet and Greet with NHL veteran, Cam Atkinson.
- Military and first responder vehicles on display.
- Signed Cam Atkinson jersey raffle.

What a better what to kick off the Cap City summer league, than to help raise money for the Force Network Fund. We will be kicking off the season with displays by the Ohio Army National Guard, and various local Police and Fire Departments. While there is no required entry fee for the Cap City game, any and all donations will be going to the Force Network fund to help support Military and First Responders. We will also have a jersey raffle to win a signed Atkinson Jersey.
 
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Viqsi

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What does this Phase 1 vs Phase 2 stuff mean?

The USHL Draft is an annual event conducted in two "phases" during the second week of May.[9] The first phase is an eight-round draft of U-17 players for the upcoming season. The second phase of the draft is open to all players eligible to play junior hockey who are not already protected by a USHL team. The number of players drafted varies, as each team will draft until they have filled the 45 spots available on their roster. Undrafted players are open to try out for any team as a try-out player. Each team must reduce their roster to 23 players for the start of the season, but may carry 18 additional players on an affiliate list.[10]
 

Nanabijou

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OK, so is a Phase 1 second round pick more or less valuable than a Phase 2 first round pick?
Don’t know exact comparison values, but phase 1 is the first crack at drafting kids and when the phenoms will get drafted. Phase 2 are kids that were passed over but teams can get some late bloomers and older players who can immediately help in lineup. The phase 1 picks are going to be more valuable but depends a bit on what the team’s needs are.
 
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Doggy

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Wanted to see the Stars and Joe Pavelski raise the Cup this year.
  • 4 All Star Games
  • 60th all time in games played
  • 55th all time in goals scored
  • 71st all time in points
  • Former team captain
Had this conversation with friends, is he just a great story or is he a Hall of Famer?
 

DarkandStormy

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Wanted to see the Stars and Joe Pavelski raise the Cup this year.
  • 4 All Star Games
  • 60th all time in games played
  • 55th all time in goals scored
  • 71st all time in points
  • Former team captain
Had this conversation with friends, is he just a great story or is he a Hall of Famer?

By my standards, not a Hall of Famer.

By the current standards, he'll probably get in.
 
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