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CBJWerenski8

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Question out of curiosity; Rick Nash has been an utter no-show in the playoffs. Not scoring, not going to the net, avoiding physical contact like the plague. Trying to beat 3 defenders with a finesse deke instead of chipping and chasing pucks or passing to open teammates. Refusing to compete along the boards/in front of the net. Not hitting anyone. Needing a GPS to find the defensive zone.

Now obviously as an Islander fan, this isn't bothering me, but he has been so bad it's been impossible to not take extra notice. He isn't a player I watched much of outside the highlight reel when he was in Columbus, so I'll ask you guys, does his playoff "performance" surprise you?

He looks injured
 

Islander102

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He looks injured
Wouldn't surprise me, but he would hardly be the first star player playing injured in the playoffs. Gaborik was severely injured in last year's playoffs and outperformed what Nash has done to this point. There have been plays there for him if he made a simple play, going hard to the net, where he instead attempts a highlight reel spin-o-rama deke. Or plays where he stands a good 10 feet out from the net not moving while a rebound is loose 2-3 feet in front of the net. His compete level just looks a step below everyone else's, especially the star players on the other teams in the playoffs.
 

EspenK

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Question out of curiosity; Rick Nash has been an utter no-show in the playoffs. Not scoring, not going to the net, avoiding physical contact like the plague. Trying to beat 3 defenders with a finesse deke instead of chipping and chasing pucks or passing to open teammates. Refusing to compete along the boards/in front of the net. Not hitting anyone. Needing a GPS to find the defensive zone.

Now obviously as an Islander fan, this isn't bothering me, but he has been so bad it's been impossible to not take extra notice. He isn't a player I watched much of outside the highlight reel when he was in Columbus, so I'll ask you guys, does his playoff "performance" surprise you?


No. He was a no show many times for the Jackets. he may be injured, may not be, but imo he has floated the last three years or so here for much of the time. Glad he is gone.
 

Timeless Winter

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Question out of curiosity; Rick Nash has been an utter no-show in the playoffs. Not scoring, not going to the net, avoiding physical contact like the plague. Trying to beat 3 defenders with a finesse deke instead of chipping and chasing pucks or passing to open teammates. Refusing to compete along the boards/in front of the net. Not hitting anyone. Needing a GPS to find the defensive zone.

Now obviously as an Islander fan, this isn't bothering me, but he has been so bad it's been impossible to not take extra notice. He isn't a player I watched much of outside the highlight reel when he was in Columbus, so I'll ask you guys, does his playoff "performance" surprise you?

No, this sounds like his entire Blue Jacket career.
 

Byrral

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Question out of curiosity; Rick Nash has been an utter no-show in the playoffs. Not scoring, not going to the net, avoiding physical contact like the plague. Trying to beat 3 defenders with a finesse deke instead of chipping and chasing pucks or passing to open teammates. Refusing to compete along the boards/in front of the net. Not hitting anyone. Needing a GPS to find the defensive zone.

Now obviously as an Islander fan, this isn't bothering me, but he has been so bad it's been impossible to not take extra notice. He isn't a player I watched much of outside the highlight reel when he was in Columbus, so I'll ask you guys, does his playoff "performance" surprise you?

A mere few days ago the MSNBC pundits were saying that Nash was ready to bust out, that Brassard was now a great player and not to mention that John Moore was playing 25 minutes a night and running one of their PP units. I love how guys that were good players on the CBJ are now great players on another team.

Last night Brassard couldn't win a crucial faceoff, even when the first center got tossed from the dot, and that led to the game winning goal. And where has the golden boy Rick Nash been.....for the most part invisible.

I like Brassard more than most around here and I think he has been statistically better in NY. But I think he's the same player now that he was here but he's getting a few more points. The past couple of games we have seen classic Brassard turnovers that led to goals and faceoff losses that do the same.

And Nash....same ole Rick.

Where have I seen this movie before.
 

Sore Loser

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You're old.

EDIT:
Wait. *looks at post at top of this page*

And you know who Mama Cass is because...

Austin Powers, naturally...

Austin.jpg
 

db2011

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I don't think Nash is injured, or if he is I don't think he's injured enough to be playing this underwhelming. After he scored his first goal of these playoffs the other night, he started to really turn it on. He had some dangerous looking moments in the last game, too.

Should be said, his first goal of the 2012-2013 playoffs came in the second series. And it was only his second-ever playoff goal. I know he is only playing in his third playoff series of his career, but to only score 2 goals in 14 games is pretty poor.
 

Sore Loser

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Yeah, baby. I should have known.

So, do I now need to point out, for history's sake, that the Cass Elliott choked to death on a ham sandwich is an urban legend? Just putting it out there for anyone who cares an might be misinformed.

:laugh:

Actually, I'm quite in tune with classic rock and oldies (sorry, had to classify it somehow!) music, so I'm pretty up on the entire history. While I'm not a big fan of the Mamas and the Papas, I know them. I just love that scene in Austin Powers...

On topic: The Penguins have blown open Game 4 in Ottawa. Thinking this series is over in 5.
 

Mayor Bee

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Question out of curiosity; Rick Nash has been an utter no-show in the playoffs. Not scoring, not going to the net, avoiding physical contact like the plague. Trying to beat 3 defenders with a finesse deke instead of chipping and chasing pucks or passing to open teammates. Refusing to compete along the boards/in front of the net. Not hitting anyone. Needing a GPS to find the defensive zone.

Now obviously as an Islander fan, this isn't bothering me, but he has been so bad it's been impossible to not take extra notice. He isn't a player I watched much of outside the highlight reel when he was in Columbus, so I'll ask you guys, does his playoff "performance" surprise you?

I don't think he's hurt; I think he's a lesser Steve Dalkowski or a bigger Glenn Anderson.

If you have Rick Nash, you tell him to drive to the net and create offense from the attacking side of the red line in. You don't tell him anything more complicated than that, because he starts getting obviously confused. That negatively affects every aspect of his play.
 

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I don't think he's hurt; I think he's a lesser Steve Dalkowski or a bigger Glenn Anderson.

If you have Rick Nash, you tell him to drive to the net and create offense from the attacking side of the red line in. You don't tell him anything more complicated than that, because he starts getting obviously confused. That negatively affects every aspect of his play.
Do you think it's an issue of hockey sense/ not seeing the ice well, not understanding wtf he is doing when he starts to go into his triple axle dekes to nowhere, not understanding who is open for a pass, or do you think it's lack of the compete level needed to go to the net/corners and take the beating to make a play. Again I say this not having intently watched the guy until this year. When he was successful with the Rangers, it was mostly pretty plays, but there is obviously not much of an avenue to make them in the postseason.
 

EDM

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Nash's attitude in Columbus changed drastically during the Olympic year where he seemed to be "saving" himself for Team Canada's run for the gold. He was never the same player after that year. That lack of intensity became a permanent attitude. Glad he is gone form Columbus.
 

Fro

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Brad Richards says he is not playing tonight. He said Tortorella called him this morning to tell him.

and for the LULZ

Dmitry Chesnokov ‏@dchesnokov 1m
@JoeYerdonPHT at least not a text message

Joe Yerdon ‏@JoeYerdonPHT 46s
@dchesnokov “Sry Brad U R A scratch”
 

db2011

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Brad Richards says he is not playing tonight. He said Tortorella called him this morning to tell him.

and for the LULZ

Dmitry Chesnokov ‏@dchesnokov 1m
@JoeYerdonPHT at least not a text message

Joe Yerdon ‏@JoeYerdonPHT 46s
@dchesnokov “Sry Brad U R A scratchâ€

wow!

Just like Joey's last playoff game :sarcasm:
 

cbjgirl

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about last summer.
Do you think it's an issue of hockey sense/ not seeing the ice well, not understanding wtf he is doing when he starts to go into his triple axle dekes to nowhere, not understanding who is open for a pass, or do you think it's lack of the compete level needed to go to the net/corners and take the beating to make a play. Again I say this not having intently watched the guy until this year. When he was successful with the Rangers, it was mostly pretty plays, but there is obviously not much of an avenue to make them in the postseason.

I think it is both. He has never utilized his line mates effectively and he has always seemed to have two modes, one I would call "Olympic Nash" and then "normal Nash". It appears as though he is having flashes of "Olympic Nash" but is mostly being "normal Nash".

I do wonder if he does have chronic back issues though (or something like them), his first few years in the league he would stand in front of the net. He has seemed to be avoiding that the past few seasons.
 

Mayor Bee

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Do you think it's an issue of hockey sense/ not seeing the ice well, not understanding wtf he is doing when he starts to go into his triple axle dekes to nowhere, not understanding who is open for a pass, or do you think it's lack of the compete level needed to go to the net/corners and take the beating to make a play. Again I say this not having intently watched the guy until this year. When he was successful with the Rangers, it was mostly pretty plays, but there is obviously not much of an avenue to make them in the postseason.

Have you ever seen the movie "Top Gun"? If so, think back to Maverick's first flight after the accident, with Sundown as his RIO. Maverick had a clear shot, but refused to take it, saying "It doesn't look good, it, uh, doesn't look good." When Sundown challenged him on the ground, Maverick flipped out and yelled "I'll fire when I'm ready!"

That was Rick Nash 20% of the time here. Others will argue that it was higher, but I'll stand at 20%. With the Rangers in the playoffs, it's more like 90%. It's like he can only handle certain situations on the ice, and if that situation doesn't present itself, he stands down. He won't create the situation, he waits for it to come to him. It's almost bizarre to see. He looks worse than he has since he was an 18-year-old rookie who was allowed to operate outside of a team structure.
 

Cash for Nash

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Have you ever seen the movie "Top Gun"? If so, think back to Maverick's first flight after the accident, with Sundown as his RIO. Maverick had a clear shot, but refused to take it, saying "It doesn't look good, it, uh, doesn't look good." When Sundown challenged him on the ground, Maverick flipped out and yelled "I'll fire when I'm ready!"

That was Rick Nash 20% of the time here. Others will argue that it was higher, but I'll stand at 20%. With the Rangers in the playoffs, it's more like 90%. It's like he can only handle certain situations on the ice, and if that situation doesn't present itself, he stands down. He won't create the situation, he waits for it to come to him. It's almost bizarre to see. He looks worse than he has since he was an 18-year-old rookie who was allowed to operate outside of a team structure.

Man....This is a just a tad harsh lol.

He had a really good year. Probably on pace for a 40 goal season in a full season.
Yes--He has sucked in the playoffs. So has every other Ranger beside Lundquist. Which makes me think its that Pejorative Slured defense first system of Torts. Just sucks the life out of the team it seems.

My criticism off the hoof is that he looks heavy....or injured...or both. Dude needs to drop about 20lbs at least.
 

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My criticism off the hoof is that he looks heavy....or injured...or both. Dude needs to drop about 20lbs at least.

So what basis are you looking at Nash and stating that he needs to lose 20 pounds? Based on the phrasing, I would guess that it is related to his speed?

Yes, I am sure that Nash is at around 18% or greater body fat.
 

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So what basis are you looking at Nash and stating that he needs to lose 20 pounds? Based on the phrasing, I would guess that it is related to his speed?
Yes, I am sure that Nash is at around 18% or greater body fat.

Yes. At least that's how I see it. Still pretty productive though. I never really pictured him on a team like the Rangers (at least with Torts there). He seems like a guy who would put up big numbers with a team like SJ and a lot of slick playmakers (Marleau, Pavelski, Thornton, etc). But we all know that deal was never going down. Couture is too special.
 
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