I don’t think that would be “wild” so much as “finally accepting the truth”
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herzausstein
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I think we will pretty much let it ride this season and dump assets at the deadline if things go sideways again before entering rebuild territory next offseason. I really dont expect anything this offseason
Watching the SCF's and a few other teams in the SCPO's just shows that the Preds have no business thinking they are a PO team. They are slow, not good at forecheck, not good at D and with a poor D the Goaltending suffers. So, GMBT's decision on the next season is to "run it back".
If I was an owner I would be asking him WTF are you doing! You wanted all of these players and said this would get us deep into the SCPO's. We spent millions on your players for what! And you answer for the next season is to "run it back"!
I would want to see what his future plan is for the team as an owner. If not for a winning/tie streak then Brunno has been the worst coach the team/GMBT has ever hired! The fans will drop off if the team falters early. Been a Pred since 2001 and it is killing me to see them treated like this.
If I was an owner I would be asking him WTF are you doing! You wanted all of these players and said this would get us deep into the SCPO's. We spent millions on your players for what! And you answer for the next season is to "run it back"!
I would want to see what his future plan is for the team as an owner. If not for a winning/tie streak then Brunno has been the worst coach the team/GMBT has ever hired! The fans will drop off if the team falters early. Been a Pred since 2001 and it is killing me to see them treated like this.
I mean we have a shit ton of prospects and picks.
Doesn't mean anything when the team can't draft and can't develop.
True but nothing needle-moving in the pool as of now. This 5th OA could change that, obviously but there's a LONG way to go if we decide to go into a rebuild (which will be hard task on its own as you can't move several of players).
Roman Yoshi
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Too bad only two of them are quality. We have quantity but 0 quality. It's maddening.
Roman Yoshi
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I almost posted this morning the things I've heard but didn't because sometimes people get annoyed with me when things don't 100% happen according to rumors.
The Josi diagnosis supports what I've heard: there's massive concerns in the org that Josi won't be able to play at the level he has been. They aren't looking to trade him, but limiting minutes etc next year may be a really real thing. I haven't heard anything about retirement.
Marchy I have heard is getting traded. 100%. TOR and MTL are frontrunners.
The Josi diagnosis supports what I've heard: there's massive concerns in the org that Josi won't be able to play at the level he has been. They aren't looking to trade him, but limiting minutes etc next year may be a really real thing. I haven't heard anything about retirement.
Marchy I have heard is getting traded. 100%. TOR and MTL are frontrunners.
I take it they couldn't find a Jr. Hockey team that would take a flyer on Bruno as an assistant coach?
I expect you’re right on Marchy. All of the news we have heard about him seems like posturing, both from team and him. They don’t want to trade him, he only wants to go to few places, I call bs. Both sides know he has to go.
herzausstein
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Also supports the idea of being Trotz possibly being willing to take a step back. Even Josi 100% healthy this team is pretty bottom of the barrel if he is injured this team for sure goes nowhere
I maintain with the idea that standing pat is probably the worst position to be in - especially with the current state of the team.
I mean, what good does that do to anything? It's not like all of a sudden THIS team will start to compete. We also already KNOW Brunette ain't leaning on the kids any more than he has before, so they'll get bottom-six minutes and limited usage. That doesn't help in the transition when eventually guys like ROR, Marchy and Stammer fade off into the sunset. Standing pat essentially just burns a year towards - yeah, I don't even know.
I get not being aggressive, but still, you have to admit that we're in a re-tool. Move some older guys to bring in some young - known - talent, not just lottery tickets. This old and slow team got you to 3rd worst record in the league - it cannot possibly go much worse.
Look at the Blues in -23. After being competitive in the playoffs in -22, they fell off in -23 and ended up moving core guys like ROR and Tarasenko (after already losing Pietrangelo to FA). They made some shrewd moves and got back into the playoffs this year where they were seconds away from being in the 2nd round.
Face the fact that the next season or two will bring pain. Move ROR, Marchessault and/or Stamkos, Sissons etc. Keep SOME vets like Forsberg. Draft the elusive 1C we've been after for forever. Go after some young, up-and-coming players as well as guys like Nic Hague who are solid DEFENSEmen with some track record, too. Play ZLH, Svechkov, Evangelista, Wood a lot to see what they truly have or don't have. Draft high again next year and get some more quality talent into the organization.
I mean, what good does that do to anything? It's not like all of a sudden THIS team will start to compete. We also already KNOW Brunette ain't leaning on the kids any more than he has before, so they'll get bottom-six minutes and limited usage. That doesn't help in the transition when eventually guys like ROR, Marchy and Stammer fade off into the sunset. Standing pat essentially just burns a year towards - yeah, I don't even know.
I get not being aggressive, but still, you have to admit that we're in a re-tool. Move some older guys to bring in some young - known - talent, not just lottery tickets. This old and slow team got you to 3rd worst record in the league - it cannot possibly go much worse.
Look at the Blues in -23. After being competitive in the playoffs in -22, they fell off in -23 and ended up moving core guys like ROR and Tarasenko (after already losing Pietrangelo to FA). They made some shrewd moves and got back into the playoffs this year where they were seconds away from being in the 2nd round.
Face the fact that the next season or two will bring pain. Move ROR, Marchessault and/or Stamkos, Sissons etc. Keep SOME vets like Forsberg. Draft the elusive 1C we've been after for forever. Go after some young, up-and-coming players as well as guys like Nic Hague who are solid DEFENSEmen with some track record, too. Play ZLH, Svechkov, Evangelista, Wood a lot to see what they truly have or don't have. Draft high again next year and get some more quality talent into the organization.
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Not surprised. I kind of figured at the end of the season it was either Marchessault or Brunette. I didn't figure both would be back.
Roman Yoshi
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Trying to let it ride just seems like it will end up with us being in the mushy middle again. Although Brunette may be a bad enough coach that he can lead us to the basement regardless.
The gut feeling I have had since about Thanksgiving is that this team is going to be bringing the pain for a much longer time than the next 1-2 seasons. Fundamentally broken from the GM down to the roster.
Funny last year at this time we were picked to be a contender. Don't confuse the talent with the results. Bruno is the main problem.
glenngineer
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At this point, Trotz isn't far behind in the problem department.
right.
I keep hearing 2 quotes from him. A) grinders are a dime a dozen. B) We aren't bringing in players to retire.
About Marchessault: Spoke his mind outside the year end player private meeting; surely Stamkos must have spoken negatively in the meeting but was reserved outside the meeting. Difference in personalties. Ditto others. And we don’t know how anyone else really felt about the “system” and the coach. We also don’t know what Trotz said back to them privately. But he’s not receptive to criticism. We do know that.
Here are a couple of questions based on Preds current management/coach:
1. Would any good UFA choose to come to Preds?
2. Would any good player waive his no movement right to come here in a trade?
Considering how Preds accepted and used last summer’s bonanza I’d say NO!
Course you can buy somebody with them dollars but they wouldn’t want to be here and probably perform accordingly.
Preds have gone from desirable location to undesirable with the snap of your fingers.
Marchessault is gone which appears to be exactly what he set out to do.
Here are a couple of questions based on Preds current management/coach:
1. Would any good UFA choose to come to Preds?
2. Would any good player waive his no movement right to come here in a trade?
Considering how Preds accepted and used last summer’s bonanza I’d say NO!
Course you can buy somebody with them dollars but they wouldn’t want to be here and probably perform accordingly.
Preds have gone from desirable location to undesirable with the snap of your fingers.
Marchessault is gone which appears to be exactly what he set out to do.
AintLifeGrand
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Trade Saros to Edmonton or Buffalo for future considerations
Trade marchesseault for minor retention and whatever spare parts we can get
Trade ROR for real assets/picks/prospects
Trade Sissons for picks
LTIR Josi
sign Georgiev as our goalie 1x2.5
Sign Ekblad 6x7
sign Rossi 7x7
Sign DeAngelo 1x700k
Bring granlund back 1x6
Forsberg-Rossi-Granlund
Bunting-Stamkos-Kemmell
ZLH-Svech-Evangelista
Wiesblatt-Mccarron-Smith
Skjei- Ekblad
Molendyk-Barron
Layton- Deangelo
Stastny
Trade marchesseault for minor retention and whatever spare parts we can get
Trade ROR for real assets/picks/prospects
Trade Sissons for picks
LTIR Josi
sign Georgiev as our goalie 1x2.5
Sign Ekblad 6x7
sign Rossi 7x7
Sign DeAngelo 1x700k
Bring granlund back 1x6
Forsberg-Rossi-Granlund
Bunting-Stamkos-Kemmell
ZLH-Svech-Evangelista
Wiesblatt-Mccarron-Smith
Skjei- Ekblad
Molendyk-Barron
Layton- Deangelo
Stastny
Cool, an unrealistic retool where we don’t actually get any better and continue to add aging players. Gotta find a way to shoehorn TDA in there too!
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