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Armourboy said:
I don't see much difference between the two other than Nyquist can hit an empty netter to boost his stats.
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Think he adds a much better scoring boost to the 3rd/4th lines. He'll never touch his totals from last season, but is still a steady 0.5 PPG player. Sissons has dropped off a cliff. Again...this is assuming NyQuil takes a 1-2 year deal sub-$3.5ish
 
With the play of Statsney and Wilsby, Lauzon should be the first asset Trotz puts on the trading block. Schenn should be up there as well, even with our self-inflicted deficiency on RHD.
 
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predhead1 said:
With the play of Statsney and Wilsby, Lauzon should be the first asset Trotz puts on the trading block. Schenn should be up there as well, even with our self-inflicted deficiency on RHD.
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100% wilsby, stastney and even to an extent Blankenburg and Barron have made Lauzon extremely expendable.

Blankenburg seemingly pairs well with Skjei. Wilsby pairs well with Josi and Barron pairs well enough with Josi if necessary.

Stastney or hell even MDG pairs better with Schenn (who id also be fine with trading but #leadership).

Lauzon doesnt need to be extended here especially when you consider Molendyk comin up the pipeline and Chistyakov in the KHL should we manage to get him to come over. Get a good return while you can and let him go
 
While I'm all for transforming our D corps, I'd be very careful what we wish for. Jettisoning Schenn and Lauzon leaves Skjei as our heaviest (210) and tallest (6'3") dman. I don't necessarily want to keep the other two but they provide some size to the lineup, it would be great if it was a good use of it.

Go look at Vegas's d-corp - all 6'2" and only one under 200. While it's nice to have mobile d, it's also nice to have guys that will wear teams out during the playoffs. This has been a big reason for their success over the years. Florida last year had the size. If all our guys were mobile, great with the puck and never got hit while keeping the puck away from the other team, that would be great. We've got to have some sort of balance on the blue line.

As far as who to move on from, you move Nyquist, Sissons and ROR from your forward group before the TDL and get assets for the 2026 draft, unless you can find a team who owns a top 5ish pick this year from another team in a deal. The big problem with unloading all three is we've depleted the depth of our forwards this year and will end up playing a bunch of plugs the rest of the year up front with very little youth thrown in.

I'd even take a look at moving Saros if you can get an acceptable return and start the rebuild process full on. If the vets want out, good bye, it's probably a blessing in disguise. Maybe be bad for a few years, get those high picks and actually build a perennial winner who has a shot at the cup.
 
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glenngineer said:
While I'm all for transforming our D corps, I'd be very careful what we wish for. Jettisoning Schenn and Lauzon leaves Skjei as our heaviest (210) and tallest (6'3") dman. I don't necessarily want to keep the other two but they provide some size to the lineup, it would be great if it was a good use of it.

Go look at Vegas's d-corp - all 6'2" and only one under 200. While it's nice to have mobile d, it's also nice to have guys that will wear teams out during the playoffs. This has been a big reason for their success over the years. Florida last year had the size. If all our guys were mobile, great with the puck and never got hit while keeping the puck away from the other team, that would be great. We've got to have some sort of balance on the blue line.

As far as who to move on from, you move Nyquist, Sissons and ROR from your forward group before the TDL and get assets for the 2026 draft, unless you can find a team who owns a top 5ish pick this year from another team in a deal. The big problem with unloading all three is we've depleted the depth of our forwards this year and will end up playing a bunch of plugs the rest of the year up front with very little youth thrown in.

I'd even take a look at moving Saros if you can get an acceptable return and start the rebuild process full on. If the vets want out, good bye, it's probably a blessing in disguise. Maybe be bad for a few years, get those high picks and actually build a perennial winner who has a shot at the cup.
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I mean having guys who are tall hasn't really benefited us, so keeping them just so we can keep the roster average up doesn't really interest me.
 
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Flgatorguy87 said:
I mean having guys who are tall hasn't really benefited us, so keeping them just so we can keep the roster average up doesn't really interest me.
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Maybe I didn't explain myself, while I'm all for getting rid of Schenn and Lauzon, replacing them with the rest of the d we currently have is not a solution either as they'll get beat up if we ever see the playoffs again. A d-corp needs balance and in recent years, size. If Skjei is going to be our largest defender, that's not a recipe for success. Have balanced pairs, guys that can move the puck and others that are more stay at home types. Some of the newer guys we've seen on the roster can play D but they're relatively small by NHL standards. Hope that helps.
 
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glenngineer said:
Maybe I didn't explain myself, while I'm all for getting rid of Schenn and Lauzon, replacing them with the rest of the d we currently have is not a solution either as they'll get beat up if we ever see the playoffs again. A d-corp needs balance and in recent years, size. If Skjei is going to be our largest defender, that's not a recipe for success. Have balanced pairs, guys that can move the puck and others that are more stay at home types. Some of the newer guys we've seen on the roster can play D but they're relatively small by NHL standards. Hope that helps.
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Yeah, I'll agree there. We are a long way off from ideal. I'd rather run a line of halflings who can skate and halfway defend at this point, so I say shoot Lauzon and Schenn to the moon.
 
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My 2 cents:

Lauzon is an example of size that doesnt matter unless you just love the hit stat.

Schenn uses his body more effectively around the crease/boards but is showing his age and slowing. How much longer he can be effective is questionable but you can keep him around as a 6/7D if the return isnt worth it.

Gibson is likely still a couple seasons away and defense is a position we should use our later 1st or if Misa/Hagens are gone our early 1st on but keeping those two around just for size when the team is buns with them instead of getting a decent return isnt going to help the team long term.
 
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Kat Predator said:
They're not going to play anyone young. Someone is just enjoying some psychedelics apparently.
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GM and HC are not going to go the young route. Trotz has traded/waived several already. His comment looking for a couple with some term should tell you everything you need to know about him. Why a young player would want to come to Nashville and if you get to play it will be under 10 min, then get to watch all of the older dudes play and lose. We keep hoping Trotz will change, I don't think he will. Get used to the old players team.
 
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I honestly just don't see a path to success for this team in the near term. Best case scenario we can probably get ourselves back into the mushy middle, but I really just wish we would embrace the rebuild at this point. Otherwise, we're just going to kick the can down the road another few years where we look back and wish we'd started actually rebuilding sooner. I think we after the deadline in 2023 we had a chance to pull off a quick retool like we did after 2012 but unfortunately I think that window has passed. I hope I'm wrong but I feel we're about to enter the only fate worse than our previous mushy middle state and that's being mushy middle but not even good enough to make the playoffs.
 
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Where we are right now, we just need to prioritize maximizing asset value everywhere. We’ve been doing the exact opposite in recent years, throwing away guys on waivers, buying out Duchene, selling low.

We don’t have the luxury to try to draw up the perfect lineup right now. We need to trade guys like Schenn, Lauzon, O’Reilly while they still have value, not wait until the tank is empty. We need to play our young guys who have proven they are ready for the NHL. It doesn’t matter if they are long-term fits for an ideal Cup contender. If Wilsby, Stastney, Blankenbirg, Molendyk are too small for an ideal D corps, who cares. Play the heck out of them meanwhile to crank up their value. Run Novak out there 18mins and on PP2, and Vange, get their numbers as high as possible.

When it finally comes time to contend… which won’t be soon… we want all our assets at peak or cashed out at peak along the way. We can’t keep squandering our capital.
 
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Porter Stoutheart said:
Where we are right now, we just need to prioritize maximizing asset value everywhere. We’ve been doing the exact opposite in recent years, throwing away guys on waivers, buying out Duchene, selling low.

We don’t have the luxury to try to draw up the perfect lineup right now. We need to trade guys like Schenn, Lauzon, O’Reilly while they still have value, not wait until the tank is empty. We need to play our young guys who have proven they are ready for the NHL. It doesn’t matter if they are long-term fits for an ideal Cup contender. If Wilsby, Stastney, Blankenbirg, Molendyk are too small for an ideal D corps, who cares. Play the heck out of them meanwhile to crank up their value. Run Novak out there 18mins and on PP2, and Vange, get their numbers as high as possible.

When it finally comes time to contend… which won’t be soon… we want all our assets at peak or cashed out at peak along the way. We can’t keep squandering our capital.
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Exactly, keeping garbage players just because they are a certain size or build is silly, we are bad with them already. Get what you can and if you need to you can try and pick some size up in free agency. The smaller guys may not be ideal but we aren't ideal either with the larger guys. Just put some guys on the ice and you can always move them later for something else.

AtlantaWhaler said:
Think he adds a much better scoring boost to the 3rd/4th lines. He'll never touch his totals from last season, but is still a steady 0.5 PPG player. Sissons has dropped off a cliff. Again...this is assuming NyQuil takes a 1-2 year deal sub-$3.5ish
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Who cares, he's old and we should be trying to get younger instead of signing 35 year old players. I don't care if he scored 50 goals this season I still wouldn't re-sign him.
 
Porter Stoutheart said:
What's a fair contract for Nyquist anyway? Last year's 75 pts was obviously a major aberration, you can't pay him based on that, right? He's more like the sort of Jarnkrok-vanilla guy we've seen this season. Is that worth $3.5M per? 2x$3.5M? That's my prediction.
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A fair contract for him is whatever some other team wants to give him. Not our problem. Well, it shouldn't be.
 
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Porter Stoutheart said:
Where we are right now, we just need to prioritize maximizing asset value everywhere. We’ve been doing the exact opposite in recent years, throwing away guys on waivers, buying out Duchene, selling low.

We don’t have the luxury to try to draw up the perfect lineup right now. We need to trade guys like Schenn, Lauzon, O’Reilly while they still have value, not wait until the tank is empty. We need to play our young guys who have proven they are ready for the NHL. It doesn’t matter if they are long-term fits for an ideal Cup contender. If Wilsby, Stastney, Blankenbirg, Molendyk are too small for an ideal D corps, who cares. Play the heck out of them meanwhile to crank up their value. Run Novak out there 18mins and on PP2, and Vange, get their numbers as high as possible.

When it finally comes time to contend… which won’t be soon… we want all our assets at peak or cashed out at peak along the way. We can’t keep squandering our capital.
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I couldn't agree more. We haven't used our assets wisely ever since Trotz took over and I would argue with the exception of Jeannot, some of Poile's last deals as well.
 
Rant incoming: I'm not sure if anyone watches the Dangle's show or follows teams outside of the Preds (this guy is a Toronto fan). If you listen at 1 hr and 11 minutes they talk Nashville.



This is the kind of stuff I'm worried about. People are dunking on Trotz left and right and we are now a joke. And if people are laughing at us as fans think about players and GMs.

The whole ROR has a no trade clause but we are going to treat him like he does thing is WILD. You are going to limit your options for a dance partner just because you respect the legacy of the player? I'm sorry but what has ROR done in Nashville? For this team? For this community? Maybe I'm ignorant but I'm not seeing a lot on paper or on the ice. He was supposed to mentor the youth but they have all flamed out here.

Then there is the whole "doing the right thing" thing Elliot mentions in his 32 thoughts. Trotz saw guys weren't working out for whatever reason so good on him for moving them.

I guess? But why aren't they working out here? Why haven't we been able to develop them?

Why is my team a joke?
 
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How are the young players supposed to learn from the vets is they’re not on the bench watching the vets play? If the young guys are getting the most ice time on the team, they’d be outplaying the veterans instead of learning from them.
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Roman Yoshi said:
Rant incoming: I'm not sure if anyone watches the Dangle's show or follows teams outside of the Preds (this guy is a Toronto fan). If you listen at 1 hr and 11 minutes they talk Nashville.



This is the kind of stuff I'm worried about. People are dunking on Trotz left and right and we are now a joke. And if people are laughing at us as fans think about players and GMs.

The whole ROR has a no trade clause but we are going to treat him like he does thing is WILD. You are going to limit your options for a dance partner just because you respect the legacy of the player? I'm sorry but what has ROR done in Nashville? For this team? For this community? Maybe I'm ignorant but I'm not seeing a lot on paper or on the ice. He was supposed to mentor the youth but they have all flamed out here.

Then there is the whole "doing the right thing" thing Elliot mentions in his 32 thoughts. Trotz saw guys weren't working out for whatever reason so good on him for moving them.

I guess? But why aren't they working out here? Why haven't we been able to develop them?

Why is my team a joke?
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Well, that's 14 minutes of mocking Trotz as the dumbest GM in the NHL.

They even worked the Carrier trade in there as an unbelievably stupid move.

Can't say they are wrong.
 
I don't really have an issue with the O'Reilly situation if he really wants to stay here (we didn't show the same respect to Duchene, but I digress). I'd like to see him moved if there's a strong return, but who knows what the conversation looked like when he first signed or since. If the "respect" angle pays off with us being able to sign a guy we might not have otherwise a few years down the road, or bringing ROR into an off-ice role some day, even better.

Guy works his ass off and just seems like he wants to keep his head down and go out and play no-bullshit hockey. If I had a pick of vets I'd prefer to keep around and actually mentor the younger players (not that we'll ever do that), he'd probably be top of the list from this crop.
 
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Bringer of Jollity said:
I don't really have an issue with the O'Reilly situation if he really wants to stay here (we didn't show the same respect to Duchene, but I digress). I'd like to see him moved if there's a strong return, but who knows what the conversation looked like when he first signed or since. If the "respect" angle pays off with us being able to sign a guy we might not have otherwise a few years down the road, or bringing ROR into an off-ice role some day, even better.

Guy works his ass off and just seems like he wants to keep his head down and go out and play no-bullshit hockey. If I had a pick of vets I'd prefer to keep around and actually mentor the younger players (not that we'll ever do that), he'd probably be top of the list from this crop.
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But that is why I'm saying we need to move him. The return is going to be very good for a useful player on a great contract for two more years. Could be a very good prospect. Could be pieces we could use to get a guy like Petterson.

And it would help our chances get into a top 3 pick which is what this team really needs more than anything else. You have Stamkos, Marchy and in theory Josi. If they can't lead the locker room... that's concerning.

And yes Kat, they are right. Trotz is just mashing buttons and hoping for the best as far as I can tell.
 
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