Speculation: Armchair GM Thread

[Bringer of Jollity]

Cozens for Novak and ZLH incoming is my best guess. Think it happens tomorrow.

Could see a world where one of Buffalo's d men come..back as well

God that would f***ing suck.

 

[bdub24]

God that would f***ing suck.

It goes down like this I’ll only call Trotz the AntiPoile from now on

 

[Scoresberg]

Seattle making out like bandits..

 

[Armourboy]

Fiala had 0.475 PPG for Nashville. Fiala has 1.183 PPG AFTER NASHVILLE.

That is 2.49 times the point production that he had for the Preds.

Is that the result of more NHL experience, or better coaching? I believe that latter.

He tried to be Gretzky in Milwaukee too. It did not work well in some games. I thought that he came to Milwaukee before he was mentally mature enough to play in the AHL.

And still a turnover machine that has had some LA fans wanting him gone. He may be scoring more but he is still the same ole Fiala

 

[herzausstein]

Waive Del G so carrier can be traded for Barron.

Well atleast we got out of Carrier's contract. Barron isnt great but is only 23. Now if we can get something out of lauzon, ill be content. Irritated we waived fabbro to keep any of these players we later waived or traded

 

[Kat Predator]

"I can find mediocre forwards and defensemen anywhere."

Looks at the standings. Yeah, it shows.

PS: Do the Rangers claim Del Gaizo? They need help on D.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

Happy Cozens is most likely going to be a Pred today day!

 

[Armourboy]

Happy Cozens is most likely going to be a Pred today day!

Eh I'll reserve being happy based on what we gave up

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Eh I'll reserve being happy based on what we gave up

Agreed. I'm not nearly as impressed with Cozens as a lot of posters here seem to be. I'd be happy to give him a spot, but without giving up much of anything. Sabres fans seem to think he's worth more than a 1st...yikes.

 

[Armourboy]

Agreed. I'm not nearly as impressed with Cozens as a lot of posters here seem to be. I'd be happy to give him a spot, but without giving up much of anything. Sabres fans seem to think he's worth more than a 1st...yikes.

Oh his value is more than a 1st, it just shouldn't be that and a really good young prospect. He's had one good year out of 3, that ain't someone you bet the farm on yet.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Oh his value is more than a 1st, it just shouldn't be that and a really good young prospect. He's had one good year out of 3, that ain't someone you bet the farm on yet.

Ehhh...not much more. Like at all. I'd go the Vegas 1st and a prospect we'd likely never see outside of Milwaukee. And I really wouldn't be happy with that, to be honest.

Since the one good season, he's done nothing but get a terrible contract and regress. Just like the Carrier trade, I think many are overlooking the contract. 7 years at $7.1M is terrible. Pretty telling that he got paid and immediately started to suck, too.

 

[Armourboy]

Ehhh...not much more. Like at all. I'd go the Vegas 1st and a prospect we'd likely never see outside of Milwaukee. And I really wouldn't be happy with that, to be honest.

Since the one good season, he's done nothing but get a terrible contract and regress. Just like the Carrier trade, I think many are overlooking the contract. 7 years at $7.1M is terrible. Pretty telling that he got paid and immediately started to suck, too.

Well there was also a coaching change and pretty big shift in philosophy there too.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Well there was also a coaching change and pretty big shift in philosophy there too.

Maybe, but giving up more than a 1st and taking on another 5 years and $35 million would be a huge gamble on that being right. Not one I'd be overly excited to take.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Does Novak have a net positive value currently from a GM's perspective? Kind of a soft 40-point player. His deal isn't bad, but does he move the needle much? I'm not a fan, so I feel like I am looking at things with bias.

 

[herzausstein]

Does Novak have a net positive value currently from a GM's perspective? Kind of a soft 40-point player. His deal isn't bad, but does he move the needle much? I'm not a fan, so I feel like I am looking at things with bias.

His contract is perfectly acceptable and for a team looking for cheapish depth i would think so.

Eh I'll reserve being happy based on what we gave up

Same. After seeing a struggling kakko being traded for peanuts, i really dont want to give up anything i view as value. It is a heck of a risk for us that he can not only turn things around and get back to his single season high but we would need him to hit that next level. I dont know if he will but that contract is unsightly if he doesnt.

 

[Scoresberg]

Happy Cozens is most likely going to be a Pred today day!

How sure are you?

 

[Top 6 Spaling]

My assumption is Trotz didn't move Carrier without a handshake deal in place for someone like Cozens, Zegras, (insert Buffalo Dman here), Panarin, etc. Someone with an AAV over 5M.

Then again, he has no idea what he's doing

 

[herzausstein]

Now Josi to Van for E.P., RoR+++ to Buffalo for Byram and Cozens

Sarcsam. No clue what the heck to expect

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Maybe, but giving up more than a 1st and taking on another 5 years and $35 million would be a huge gamble on that being right. Not one I'd be overly excited to take.

You take that gamble if you think that one season was the norm and the past 1 1/2 have been exceptions. But it's as likely that he is another Johansen who has already had his best season before we even acquire him. Positive assets and taking on a $7M+ contract for a guy that's probably a 50-55 point player would be a tough swallow.

 

[herzausstein]

I personally think Buffalo fans are delusional about how much Cozens is worth. That contract looks horrific right now. Personally, id of rather taken a swing at Kakko and his caphit for the low buyin price of basically nothing vs possibly buying out cozens in 3 seasons and paying them anything of value

 

[Top 6 Spaling]

You take that gamble if you think that one season was the norm and the past 1 1/2 have been exceptions. But it's as likely that he is another Johansen who has already had his best season before we even acquire him. Positive assets and taking on a $7M+ contract for a guy that's probably a 50-55 point player would be a tough swallow.

This is where I'm at - I'm fine moving other pieces of minimal value (Novak, Lauzon, Sissons, etc) in a swap but adding ZLH or 1sts seems crazy to me

 

[Armourboy]

You take that gamble if you think that one season was the norm and the past 1 1/2 have been exceptions. But it's as likely that he is another Johansen who has already had his best season before we even acquire him. Positive assets and taking on a $7M+ contract for a guy that's probably a 50-55 point player would be a tough swallow.

I'm mean if he turns into RyJo and that is your 2nd line center that isn't exactly horrible, but if he is your 1st line option then obviously that's a problem.

 

[glenngineer]

Remember, the contract Cozens has is slightly more than what Rinne signed for. Granted, there’s been inflation in contracts but I find it funny.

 

[herzausstein]

I'm mean if he turns into RyJo and that is your 2nd line center that isn't exactly horrible, but if he is your 1st line option then obviously that's a problem.

Like RyJo he isnt going to be a big scorer so you will have to surround him with players that can score. Yes, Cozens got 31G once on a really high 15+% shooting%. Barring complete luck that isnt happening again. His career norm is 8-9% which means he would need to increase his shot count by about 50% in order to ever get near 30G again. Considering his 31G season was also from his career high in shots, you cant chock it up to shot selection either. Im all for getting him if the price is right since we dont have alot of other options but im also expecting that he has a 50% chance of being bought out in 3-4 seasons. This is boom or bust

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I'm mean if he turns into RyJo and that is your 2nd line center that isn't exactly horrible, but if he is your 1st line option then obviously that's a problem.

Yeah, that's mostly fine, but I don't want to give up a kid that could maybe develop to be a 2nd line winger to get that--though I'm also high on ZLH, I think the kid's got it if his head stays on straight.