Armchair GM 2024-25 Season, Craig Conroy's Can Do Calgary Flames

[joescores]

He has 6 points in 28 games. The same amount of points and GP as Klapka, and his per game rate is lower than guys like Miromanov, Pospisil, Kirkland, Bahl..

Frost isn't much better either

It's completely valid to be disappointed in both of them so far.

That being said, this is the worst season of Farabee's career production wise as well as his lowest shooting percentage and ATOI.

Frost is also shooting at 3%, though he is getting the most ice time he's gotten in his career..

I don't expect this to be the norm for them going forward, that being said I don't think they'll suddenly blossom and find another gear either unless the overall offensive improves drastically.

He also got quality mins on 1st, 2nd and 3rd line whilst playing on 2nd PP unit until he had ended up on the 4th line yesterday....

Klapka wasn't given such opportunity and had been standardly used as 12th fwd, playing with plug like Rooney until recent promotion to the 1st line...

Anyways, Kuzie another 2 pts today...7 in the last 5...

 

[RasmusAndersson]

I think we should definitely look to trade Rasmus because he’s our best shot at another lottery pick which is what we actually need. Rasmus can be replaced, lottery firsts can’t.

Trade him with an extension to a team like Ottawa or Montreal or Columbus or Detroit for a top-10 protected 1st and then hope the pick falls in the 11-15 range or slides to become unprotected the following year.

Then sign a replacement top-4 D for the short term. That’s the asset management we need to get the high end young offensive talent we’re desperately missing

 

[Nanuuk]

Only if his extension is reasonable. The numbers being bandied about, 8.5-9M, will not make him tradeable unless retention is involved.

I think he isn't worth much more than he is getting now 4.5M, but would be willing to go 6M.

Under no circumstance should he get more than Weegar's 6.2M.

I've copied this from another fan site by a poster that is not given to hyperbole or false information. I do not know his on-line source, but I trust his post as it basically confirms what my mark one eyeball has been seeing all year.

"Andersson has now moved into fourth spot (from the bottom) for plus/minus in the league. Add to that Andersson’s on ice goal differential is now -55. Second worst in the league, he’s got a real shot at taking over last place as he is only 4 away. Just think about it there is 567 players with a better on ice goal differential than Andersson. The top player in the league (MacKinnon) is a plus 74, that’s a 129 goal differential in 80 games. But he’s a good guy and great in the dressing room, and hey, the stare down, awesome!. So I guess you extended him for $10mil for 8 seasons, it’s really the only option for elite talent."

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Only if his extension is reasonable. The numbers being bandied about, 8.5-9M, will not make him tradeable unless retention is involved.

I think he isn't worth much more than he is getting now 4.5M, but would be willing to go 6M.

Under no circumstance should he get more than Weegar's 6.2M.

I've copied this from another fan site by a poster that is not given to hyperbole or false information. I do not know his on-line source, but I trust his post as it basically confirms what my mark one eyeball has been seeing all year.

"Andersson has now moved into fourth spot (from the bottom) for plus/minus in the league. Add to that Andersson’s on ice goal differential is now -55. Second worst in the league, he’s got a real shot at taking over last place as he is only 4 away. Just think about it there is 567 players with a better on ice goal differential than Andersson. The top player in the league (MacKinnon) is a plus 74, that’s a 129 goal differential in 80 games. But he’s a good guy and great in the dressing room, and hey, the stare down, awesome!. So I guess you extended him for $10mil for 8 seasons, it’s really the only option for elite talent."

Weegar is severely underpaid. We signed him when the during the flat cap era, before he played a single game for us. His contact kicked in when the cap was 83.5M, and was 7.5% of the cap. He was underpaid from day 1 of that deal and that will continue to look more obvious as time goes by. Using Weegar as a benchmark for contracts is like using Makar's deal as a benchmark. Makar should be making 15M today but instead he makes 9M. Weegar should be making just under 10M today but instead he makes 6.25M.

Andersson's deal will kick in when the cap is 104M, even if we gave him a matching number of 6.25M that would be only 5% of the cap. That's not remotely realistic, and you want to pay him less??? He won't get 10M but he should easily get 8.5M. and in year 4-5 of that deal when the cap is 125M his cap% will be ~7%, which is absolutely tradeable.

As for your quote from that other person, +/- is a joke of a stat. We have 12 losses in OT and 6 goals against while on the powerplay. That could very possibly account for -18 for Ras right there. His GA while Bahl was injured for 10 games was also brutal. Andersson has played by far the most 5v5 minutes vs elite competition on our roster this year with 45 more minutes than Bahl and 75 more than Weegar. He's had extremely tough minutes this season.

Lastly in year 1 of LA's rebuild Doughty finished the season with a -34. Did that suddenly mean he was bad? No it means his workload was ridiculous and the support was borderline non-existent.

 

[Mobiandi]

All I’ll say is good luck replacing Ras in free agency.

The fascination with Noah Hanifin’s Flames tenure continues to amuse and perplex me. Chris Tanev might be a top 3 Dman in Flames history for what he’s been able to do for Noah’s legacy here compared to a similarly flawed but superior player in Hamilton

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Rasmus has struggled with Giordano, Tanev, Bahl as his partners. Him and Weegar were ok. Those are some pretty great players. He’s basically only been good with Hanifin who is one of the better 5 on 5 D in the world.

Signing him now makes absolutely no sense after the year he’s had. (8.5 is crazy) At the very least bring him back as a free agent. Or trade him. The rebuild is not over yet.

Guys like Brustewicz and Parekh (maybe mews) will make him expendable. RD is the one position I think we have some legit talent coming.

 

[DFF]

You replacement Ras with a prospect not FA

And yes, Ras needs to go already

There is no good outcome for him as a Flames

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Not overly concerned about fancy +/-. Ras has been playing with an injury since at least Four Nations. Possibly earlier. Has he even taken a morning skate since February?

If he wants to stay, there will be an extension, and yes the market will make that value of $8-9 million at least.

Am I worried about a long term extension with those numbers? No. A $9 million extension with a $104 million cap is like $7.5 million in today's cap, and he's probably worth that.

If he's not amenable to re-signing Conroy will be on the phone, and he will be gone by October.

 

[Nanuuk]

Weegar is severely underpaid. We signed him when the during the flat cap era, before he played a single game for us. His contact kicked in when the cap was 83.5M, and was 7.5% of the cap. He was underpaid from day 1 of that deal and that will continue to look more obvious as time goes by. Using Weegar as a benchmark for contracts is like using Makar's deal as a benchmark. Makar should be making 15M today but instead he makes 9M. Weegar should be making just under 10M today but instead he makes 6.25M.

Andersson's deal will kick in when the cap is 104M, even if we gave him a matching number of 6.25M that would be only 5% of the cap. That's not remotely realistic, and you want to pay him less??? He won't get 10M but he should easily get 8.5M. and in year 4-5 of that deal when the cap is 125M his cap% will be ~7%, which is absolutely tradeable.

As for your quote from that other person, +/- is a joke of a stat. We have 12 losses in OT and 6 goals against while on the powerplay. That could very possibly account for -18 for Ras right there. His GA while Bahl was injured for 10 games was also brutal. Andersson has played by far the most 5v5 minutes vs elite competition on our roster this year with 45 more minutes than Bahl and 75 more than Weegar. He's had extremely tough minutes this season.

Lastly in year 1 of LA's rebuild Doughty finished the season with a -34. Did that suddenly mean he was bad? No it means his workload was ridiculous and the support was borderline non-existent.

I don't subscribe to the 'they deserve x% of the cap' group. Deal with absolutes otherwise the percentages become fixed and the GM has not latitude with his budget other than to peddle a player elsewhere.

Comparing Doughty and Andersson is laughable in my view as there really is no comparison between the two.

 

[Anglesmith]

I don't subscribe to the 'they deserve x% of the cap' group. Deal with absolutes otherwise the percentages become fixed and the GM has not latitude with his budget other than to peddle a player elsewhere.

Comparing Doughty and Andersson is laughable in my view as there really is no comparison between the two.

There was a comparison made in the post you quoted. What part of it do you find invalid?

 

[MrLunatik]

I don't subscribe to the 'they deserve x% of the cap' group. Deal with absolutes otherwise the percentages become fixed and the GM has not latitude with his budget other than to peddle a player elsewhere.

Comparing Doughty and Andersson is laughable in my view as there really is no comparison between the two.

it doesn't matter what you subscribe to, it's what GMs, players and agents subscribe to, and they absolutely use % of the cap, in addition to recent signings of comparable players

and L&D never compared Andersson to Doughty, he compared their situations... which is #1 defenseman on a rebuilding team... and yes I know Weegar now plays 7 seconds more per game, but Andersson plays harder minutes wit more at both ES and the PK and drawing much tougher opponents.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I don't subscribe to the 'they deserve x% of the cap' group. Deal with absolutes otherwise the percentages become fixed and the GM has not latitude with his budget other than to peddle a player elsewhere.

Comparing Doughty and Andersson is laughable in my view as there really is no comparison between the two.

Huh? By that logic McDavid is overpaid at 12.5M because Crosby made 8.7M at the same age. Your rational makes no sense, if the total amount a team can spend goes up players will ask for a bigger piece of the pie. Percent cap is just simply the best way to compare signings that take place in different years. But you are right, Andersson's next contract shouldn't be based on previous years. It should be based on the players who sign deals this year and next. Chychrun 9M. Dobson and Bouchard, probably 9.5M. Ekblad probably 8-8.5M. Hutson probably 9.5M+. Provorov probably 7.5-8M.

But hey keep trying to pedal 5M

I didn't compare Doughty and Andersson, I gave an example of why +/- is a completely worthless stat. Doughty is a beast at both ends of the rink, whereas Andersson is an offer sive defenseman who is great at blocking shots. Their situations of ice time and deployment are comparable, not exactly them as players

 

[Nanuuk]

The only thing Andersson has been good at this year is eating pucks. I don't know what changed in his game, but he isn't worth keeping at an outrageous demand of 8.5-9M on a long term contract.

Heck even Miromanov has been more solid this year.

I don't care whether agents are pining for a once negotiated always there percentage of a team's cap. That is a cost escalation that is not warranted when a contract negotiation comes up and does not factor in any degradation of performance.

 

[Anglesmith]

The only thing Andersson has been good at this year is eating pucks. I don't know what changed in his game, but he isn't worth keeping at an outrageous demand of 8.5-9M on a long term contract.

Heck even Miromanov has been more solid this year.

I don't care whether agents are pining for a once negotiated always there percentage of a team's cap. That is a cost escalation that is not warranted when a contract negotiation comes up and does not factor in any degradation of performance.

Miromanov? More solid? What?

 

[MrLunatik]

The only thing Andersson has been good at this year is eating pucks. I don't know what changed in his game, but he isn't worth keeping at an outrageous demand of 8.5-9M on a long term contract.

Heck even Miromanov has been more solid this year.

I don't care whether agents are pining for a once negotiated always there percentage of a team's cap. That is a cost escalation that is not warranted when a contract negotiation comes up and does not factor in any degradation of performance.

holy shit, this might be the worst take on these boards since "Nakladal is a top 4 defenseman"

 

[MrLunatik]

Miromanov? More solid? What?

he took Cialis?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

The only thing Andersson has been good at this year is eating pucks. I don't know what changed in his game, but he isn't worth keeping at an outrageous demand of 8.5-9M on a long term contract.

Heck even Miromanov has been more solid this year.

I don't care whether agents are pining for a once negotiated always there percentage of a team's cap. That is a cost escalation that is not warranted when a contract negotiation comes up and does not factor in any degradation of performance.

Oh come on man, just say you hate him and move on.

I'm against paying him that contract too but not because he doesn't deserve it, but instead because we have too many expensive 30+ guys

 

[Bounces R Way]

The question you have to ask yourself with Ras is if you think he's really about to head off a cliff or if this just wasn't a very good year for him. I've flip flopped on trading or retaining him so many times this season I'd be alright with either at this point. Tend to think it was more just a poor year due to several things(not limited to but including the sudden death of one of his good friends, the trading of his longtime D partner, and the absence of his BFF #88) than he's completely cooked but footspeed has always been an issue for him.

He's delivered some solid value on his current deal for the Flames. If he wants to stay and his price is reasonable I'd have no problem extending him. The wanting to stay and be a Flame matters to me after the last couple summers and it should matter to the franchise as well. The price being reasonable does too, he's not a #1 and not really quite a good #2 either. The flat cap world is ending, I don't think putting an Andersson on it for 5+ years is as big of a deal as it has been recently.

 

[Anglesmith]

The question you have to ask yourself with Ras is if you think he's really about to head off a cliff or if this just wasn't a very good year for him. I've flip flopped on trading or retaining him so many times this season I'd be alright with either at this point. Tend to think it was more just a poor year due to several things(not limited to but including the sudden death of one of his good friends, the trading of his longtime D partner, and the absence of his BFF #88) than he's completely cooked but footspeed has always been an issue for him.

He's delivered some solid value on his current deal for the Flames. If he wants to stay and his price is reasonable I'd have no problem extending him. The wanting to stay and be a Flame matters to me after the last couple summers and it should matter to the franchise as well. The price being reasonable does too, he's not a #1 and not really quite a good #2 either. The flat cap world is ending, I don't think putting an Andersson on it for 5+ years is as big of a deal as it has been recently.

Nailed it, especially regarding valuing a guy who wants to lay it on the line for this particular franchise. It's what is elevating this team currently so far above their talent on paper.

 

[Kahvi]

Sharangovich with 6 points in last 7 games, including 4 goals in last three. Maybe he's starting to finally feel normal after the injury and getting his shot back.

 

[Khrox]

The question you have to ask yourself with Ras is if you think he's really about to head off a cliff or if this just wasn't a very good year for him. I've flip flopped on trading or retaining him so many times this season I'd be alright with either at this point. Tend to think it was more just a poor year due to several things(not limited to but including the sudden death of one of his good friends, the trading of his longtime D partner, and the absence of his BFF #88) than he's completely cooked but footspeed has always been an issue for him.

He's delivered some solid value on his current deal for the Flames. If he wants to stay and his price is reasonable I'd have no problem extending him. The wanting to stay and be a Flame matters to me after the last couple summers and it should matter to the franchise as well. The price being reasonable does too, he's not a #1 and not really quite a good #2 either. The flat cap world is ending, I don't think putting an Andersson on it for 5+ years is as big of a deal as it has been recently.

Well said.

I would say, definitely not in a flat cap world anymore, so anything close to that "4.5 mil/year" is not gonna happen. Chychrun signing for 9 mil AAV sets an *absolute cap* on what he can get, and even that is highly unlikely. I'd venture a guess that about 7.5-8 is what Ras gets, but I'd be thrilled if we could pull off 7 for him.

 

[herashak]

4D chess is that if you sign Raz then Mews probs doesn’t sign here, therefore, package the two firsts and mews to get into the top 10?

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Sharangovich with 6 points in last 7 games, including 4 goals in last three. Maybe he's starting to finally feel normal after the injury and getting his shot back.

I think it's possible. Also possible he's just streaky as f*** lol

 

[Siignal]

It's not about whether Ras will play well or not. Trade an asset that makes sense to trade, bottom out for a year in a bid for the last major piece of your rebuild then go from there. If we keep him, best case scenario is probably that he sucks and we get a pick. Worst case scenario is he sucks less and we as a team have another middling year like this year.

 

[Volica]

It's not about whether Ras will play well or not. Trade an asset that makes sense to trade, bottom out for a year in a bid for the last major piece of your rebuild then go from there. If we keep him, best case scenario is probably that he sucks and we get a pick. Worst case scenario is he sucks less and we as a team have another middling year like this year.

I've sort of been in this mindset, but like... does Rasmus Andersson help this team bottom out?
Like if you take him off the roster, give Miromanov and Pachal the minutes, are we slipped 4-6-10-20 points? I don't think there's an argument there that it would be that huge. A 10 point slip, which would be huge for a single players impact; would have us picking 11th.

My thought for Rasmus has always been if there's a team that thinks they're a Rasmus Andersson from being a legit contender and they're willing to part with not just the 26th overall... but with a young blueliner or a prospect that's right there then you make the deal.

Dunno, our cupboards look good and adding a late first rounder just doesn't get me going the way it used to.