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Speculation: Armchair GM 2024-25 Season, Craig Conroy's Can Do Calgary Flames

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Trade him for Cal Ritchie plus. I like Andersson but I feel he’s replaceable. We have a lot of talent coming on RD and Huska has a history of developing D going back to his Kelowna days. I see Cal as a future top 6 C and this organization has zero depth at that position.

If we end up in the top 7 we are looking at a top 6 C or Matt Schaefer.
 
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Zirakzigil said:
Doesnt matter. Andersson is a better player for sure. Agents look at cap hit percentages now with the rising cap. Paying 10mil for a top line player or top pairing defenseman is now the norm.
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But 10m D isnt the norm, only theres only 3 in the entire league with that cap hit. You can say yea with rising cap the top D will make 10+ easy but andersson is a tier or 2 below that. Hes comparables are the hanifins, sergachevs of the world, not werenski and fox.
 
crazyfisherman said:
But 10m D isnt the norm, only theres only 3 in the entire league with that cap hit. You can say yea with rising cap the top D will make 10+ easy but andersson is a tier or 2 below that. Hes comparables are the hanifins, sergachevs of the world, not werenski and fox.
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You missed the point from the original post. Cap will be around 95mil this summer and another projected jump to 105mil in 2026. That large of jump in 2 years will mean current 8mil contracts will be jumping to 10mil contracts. Signing him this offseason means at least 9mil per for fair market value, another 10mil jump in cap space means 2026 fair market value will go up another 10%.
 
Zirakzigil said:
You missed the point from the original post. Cap will be around 95mil this summer and another projected jump to 105mil in 2026. That large of jump in 2 years will mean current 8mil contracts will be jumping to 10mil contracts. Signing him this offseason means at least 9mil per for fair market value, another 10mil jump in cap space means 2026 fair market value will go up another 10%.
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Andersson played like a 10m dman for October/November but as of now paying him 10m is nuts, he’s on like a 15 game goal drought
 
herashak said:
Andersson played like a 10m dman for October/November but as of now paying him 10m is nuts, he’s on like a 15 game goal drought
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The flat cap has really messed your perception of market value. Andersson's next deal will be based around what Dobson and Bouchard get this summer. I don't see either of them getting under 9.5M so expecting Andersson to take less than 9M is just silly
 
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Zirakzigil said:
You missed the point from the original post. Cap will be around 95mil this summer and another projected jump to 105mil in 2026. That large of jump in 2 years will mean current 8mil contracts will be jumping to 10mil contracts. Signing him this offseason means at least 9mil per for fair market value, another 10mil jump in cap space means 2026 fair market value will go up another 10%.
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Players that set the contract market are not players of anderssons caliber, bouchard and dobson will get 9/10 because they are young and has put up incredible numbers, andersson isnt that. I highly doubt hes a 10m player as a number 2D.
 
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If Andersson were to extend this summer at the exact same % of the cap as Weegar did when he had 1 year left on his deal it would be pretty much 7 mil flat

Obviously it won’t be 7 because the cap is expected to jump pretty substantially over the next couple years but I really don’t think it’s going to start with a 9

8-8.5 is my guess. Definitely think it’ll be closer to 8 than 9 if he takes max term
 
If you trade Razzy, you have to go for an upgrade somewhere.

Package for a centre or have a team do something really stupid like give you a can’t miss prospect, or multiple high end pieces including someone who can step in immediately for Ras.

First and a handful of mid tier prospects? Just forget it, sign him for 8 years instead.
 
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Volica said:
If you trade Razzy, you have to go for an upgrade somewhere.

Package for a centre or have a team do something really stupid like give you a can’t miss prospect, or multiple high end pieces including someone who can step in immediately for Ras.

First and a handful of mid tier prospects? Just forget it, sign him for 8 years instead.
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This is the way I look at it. Regardless of what route you hope this team goes in the coming years, general consensus is we hope to be good in 3-4 years. Andersson will still likely be a top pair defenseman at that point and still for years to come. So why trade him unless we reasonably think we can get a player back who has a chance of providing that value. We trade him for the typical “1st, good prospect, young player” return, we end up in the position everyone here hates of less talent at the top of the lineup, more in the middle.
 
I’ve seen enough of Barrie and Hanley to last me the whole season. If we’re going for the playoffs, we should pick up a good puckmover like Brannstrom who’s back on waivers. He stood out in a positive way when I saw the Wranglers play Abbotsford
 
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Mobiandi said:
I’ve seen enough of Barrie and Hanley to last me the whole season. If we’re going for the playoffs, we should pick up a good puckmover like Brannstrom who’s back on waivers. He stood out in a positive way when I saw the Wranglers play Abbotsford
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If we are going for the playoffs, Brannstrom is the last guy we should touch. Guys defensive game is counteracting his puck moving to the tune of him about to be part of his 4th organization over the last calendar year.
 
Mobiandi said:
I’ve seen enough of Barrie and Hanley to last me the whole season. If we’re going for the playoffs, we should pick up a good puckmover like Brannstrom who’s back on waivers. He stood out in a positive way when I saw the Wranglers play Abbotsford
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You're seriously complaining about a guy that has been on the ice for all of 5 goals against this year? But you want Brannstrom? If we are just going to dress a guy to suck defensively on the off chance he puts up a point or 2, we have Miromanov sitting in the pressbox.
 
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Yeah. I think Hanley has been just fine with Weegar, nothing to right home about, but not costing games. Rather give one of the kids a chance with Pachal than trade more assets for another defenseman, team has that in spades. If Kuzy cant find his offense the team needs another top 6 winger badly. Team really needs a player who is offensively driven.
 
Wolf 2 x 5M (don’t give him the extra pressure yet)
Coronato 7 x 6M
Zary 3 x 4.5M
Bahl 5 x 4M
 
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Would moving Miromanov and Kuzmenko for some nominal assets/futures/prospects work for both sides?
 
Lunatik said:
The Rapid City rush

But seriously, the only way Miromanov is traded, is if it's for a more expensive overpaid #6
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But... why would be need a #6 back?

Other teams might need a guy for that price point and capabilities for injuries/reserve for a run. We'd open up that slot and use Barrie as the reserve this season and perhaps someone like Brewski next season.

Or do you mean we'd need someone to replace Miromanov if we decide to go for a playoff run?
 
Figgy44 said:
Would moving Miromanov and Kuzmenko for some nominal assets/futures/prospects work for both sides?
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Both sides? Probably not.

Kuzmenko likely has negative value and would be difficult to give away at 50%

Miromanov probably has limited value; he hasn't dressed this calendar year, and hasn't played in a game that the Flames won in over a month.
 
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Figgy44 said:
But... why would be need a #6 back?

Other teams might need a guy for that price point and capabilities for injuries/reserve for a run. We'd open up that slot and use Barrie as the reserve this season and perhaps someone like Brewski next season.

Or do you mean we'd need someone to replace Miromanov if we decide to go for a playoff run?
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Don’t think Miromanov is the type of D teams like to add for depth in the playoffs. Generally it’s more of the guys that eat with their hands and speak in grunts that get moved around for 4ths and 5ths
 
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Don’t think Miromanov is the type of D teams like to add for depth in the playoffs. Generally it’s more of the guys that eat with their hands and speak in grunts that get moved around for 4ths and 5ths
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Someone like him is still better than no one, especially if contracts is a sticking point for fitting them in under that cap. That's what I mean. I'm not saying he's a primary target, I'm just saying that I wonder if he'd be of interest as insurance. Anything could happen and a sudden rash of injuries to RD could make the idea more interesting very quickly.

So rather than having no one at all (ie: injury or otherwise) and being in a situation where they might not be able to add someone like a Cody Ceci at 3.25 AAV, Miromanov at 1.25 AAV for two seasons might be a good back up option for them. Especially since Miromanov is cheaper than Ceci even at 50% retained. From our side, both Miromanov and Barrie in the press box doesn't make a ton of sense. Salary cap wise, there aren't many options for someone in that 1.25 AAV range (could still find a broker to retain further) who could potentially play 3rd pair and 2nd pairing spot duty. I also assume Miromanov and Kuzmenko would rather play that sit in press box too. That's what I mean.
 
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Someone like him is still better than no one, especially if contracts is a sticking point for fitting them in under that cap. That's what I mean. I'm not saying he's a primary target, I'm just saying that I wonder if he'd be of interest as insurance. Anything could happen and a sudden rash of injuries to RD could make the idea more interesting very quickly.

So rather than having no one at all (ie: injury or otherwise) and being in a situation where they might not be able to add someone like a Cody Ceci at 3.25 AAV, Miromanov at 1.25 AAV for two seasons might be a good back up option for them. Especially since Miromanov is cheaper than Ceci even at 50% retained. From our side, both Miromanov and Barrie in the press box doesn't make a ton of sense. Salary cap wise, there aren't many options for someone in that 1.25 AAV range (could still find a broker to retain further) who could potentially play 3rd pair and 2nd pairing spot duty. I also assume Miromanov and Kuzmenko would rather play that sit in press box too. That's what I mean.
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I don’t disagree at all and if there’s an option to move him I’m 100% with you. Just feel like if he can’t crack a D core using Bean/Hanley/Paschal regularly (not a knock on these guys they’ve been decent), then there probably isn’t room for him to play on very many teams in the big league
 
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