Ledge And Dairy
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Has been saying? He made 1 comment and has since corrected himself many times saying he has no intention of doing a rebuild
Speculation: Armchair GM 2024-25 Season, Craig Conroy's Can Do Calgary Flames
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Figgy44
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Sorry, I guess improved wording could help a little and I was incorrect in where I thought Nashville was cap space wise, but I didn't say they'd be doing a rebuild. I said they might be sellers. By seller, I think maybe they'd be in a situation where they need to move roster players out to do any moves (retool or otherwise).
I assumed that Nashville wouldn't be as aggressive as a buyer because rightfully or wrongfully, they've locked in a core. They have to be a little careful until 2026-2027 season when the Duchene buyout runs out. I wrongfully thought they were really close to the cap. I checked again just now and they have some space to play with this season and next season. In theory, I guess Nashville could throw assets at Andersson without needing to move much out. But IIRC, their biggest issue is basically the same one that has plagued Calgary for years. They need a bonafide 1C in front of ROR.
As such, I'd assume any cap space and assets are likely to be diverted to 1C first and the likelihood of them targeting someone like Andersson is a bit lower.
JPeeper
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That feel when Mantha is done for the year and Kuzmenko is getting healthy scratched negating any value he would(n't) have.
Bounces R Way
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I'd be on the phone with Buffalo. They have tons of prospects and a real lack of good vets. If they were going to do something stupid or desperate it'd probably be soon.
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PlayMakers
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Would Calgary have any interest in bringing Elias Lindholm back?
He just hasn’t played well for Boston and maybe he’s just not a fit here.
I’m not under the illusion that he has much value at the moment. I was thinking a cap dump for cap dump swap or even paying to unload the contract.
He just hasn’t played well for Boston and maybe he’s just not a fit here.
I’m not under the illusion that he has much value at the moment. I was thinking a cap dump for cap dump swap or even paying to unload the contract.
Some Other Flame
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He had also made it known that he didn't want to stay here while rebuilding, and turned us down on re-signing (the contract offer was rumoured to be between 7.5 and 8 mil a year). So trading for him is something neither side really wants to revisit.
And on another note, he's only cracked 50 points 4 times in his career (This year is his 12th year in the NHL). He's always been a 45-50 point player, who is good defensively, who is capable of playing on a line with high scorers without hurting them (18-19 with the Purple Gato Boys year he hit 78, he hit 54 points in 19-20, 82 points in 21-22 centering a 115 point Gaudreau, and a 104 point Tkachuk), and then had a 62 point season in 22-23. Every other year he's been hovering the 45 point mark.
joescores
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30 year old, on pace for 36 points. Christ we dodged a massive bullet. No worth even 4 mil at this stage.
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I think Columbus would be a better fit if he's willing. They're trying to exit their rebuild and he's had some success with Monahan before. That said, I think you just need to ride this out, it's a bad look to future UFAs if you are trying to trade a guy less than half a season after signing him long term.
His best seasons were with Gaudreau and Tkachuk/Monahan, one thing the latter 2 have in common is they are excellent within 10 feet of the net. Him playing with someone of that ilk, and an playmaker that can still score 25+ goals, is probably your best bet at getting him going.
Ace Rimmer
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Cap dump for cap dump, Lindholm for Huberdeau is the first thing that came to mind.
Even then, not sure who loses more.
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Backlund
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Not even a little. We have nobody left he can play with.
PlayMakers
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Appreciate the feedback. I really hope he gets his game going. Bruins fans were really hoping that last year was an outlier and he'd get back to being a 60 point center this season but he's a non-factor. His assists are secondary or face-offs. It seems like forcing him on the first PP is hurting that unit... I don't know if he's a slow starter or if there's going to be some moment where it clicks for him, but man that contract is looking really scary right now.
The problem there is he's never really proven himself as a 60 point center. He's broken that one 3 times (and as I said in the last post, 50 points one additional time), and two of those were when both his linemates had career years (His 74 point year, Gaudreau had 99 points, Monahan had 82 points, and then his 82 point year, Gaudreau and Tkachuk both had over 100 points).
His big problem is he isn't going to be a line driver, but he'll help support a high-scoring line driver while being defensively responsible. So if you put him with at least one offense-only forward (even though he actually was a lot better defensively than given credit for, Gaudreau was always a guy you threw out when you wanted offense), and another guy who is good at creating chaos near the crease (a Tkachuk type player. Or even someone who can sneak in close and basically avoid being covered like a Monahan), that's your best bet at getting him to produce again.
joescores
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This is extremely reductionist and kind of just ignoring the fact that Covid happened. Here are his total paces for every single season he played in Calgary.
2018-19: 79 points
2019-20: 63 points
2020-21: 69 points
2021-22: 82 points
2022-23: 66 points
2023-24: 54 points (pre-trade)
That first season he started at 23 mind you. Calling him a 45-50 point player is blatantly inaccurate.
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Agreed, though I think it's safe to say he's not a line driver, and is heavily chemistry dependent to produce somewhere in the 55-65 point range consistently.
I hate the argument of "on pace for" when it comes to it. Most players and every team deals with injuries and things that hinder what their realized potential is. It reminds me of the "Glencross is a 30 goal scorer" arguments from 10-15 years ago because he was always "on pace for" 30 goals, yet he never once hit it. Yes, Lindholm has had the potential (limit of what he could accomplish) of being a 65+ point player. But his realized potential (what he has actually accomplished) is much closer to a 45-50 point player. If we're going for "On pace" stats, Lindholm is on pace for like 36 points this season, which I also think is an outlier on the low side.
Ledge And Dairy
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That would make sense if he was injury prone but he's not.
In 18/19 he missed 1 game
In 19/20 he missed 0 games
In 20/21 he missed 0 games
In 21/22 he missed 0 games
In 22/23 he missed 2 games
In 23/24 he was traded
It's not his fault the world shut down, he almost certainly would have played the whole season in both of those years.
Volica
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This.
Just do what Calgary did, where Lindholm played RW at forward and then covered up for Monahan in the defensive zone. He should still be able to get that done.
Boomstick
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I'm still not feeling 100% after wisdom tooth extraction. I looked at Red Wings vs Sabres tickets tonight and they're selling for $35 US for the first couple of rows off the ice. Looks like an empty barn tonight.
